I reckon the people who fired the rocket are not on Hamas' payroll.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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On the other side of the world, in Bosnia Libermann and Maliki spent the last week lobbying for and against the Bosnian UN vote. As we all know the Serbs already promised to vote against and the Muslims to vote for. Anyway, the really funny thing was when last Thursday Bakir Izetbegovic (member of the Bosnian presidency) accused Libermann for falsely claiming that there are terrorist camps and that radical Muslims pose a threat for the stability- the very next day a Wahhabi extremist armed with a Kalashnikov and hand grenades started shooting at the US embassy in Sarajevo, wounding one person before being shot. Izetbegovic must have felt like a right idiot while Libermann, still in Sarajevo, probably though of himself nothing less than a prophet.
That blokes a serb
That bloke's name is Mevludin Jasarevic, so pretty much not a Serb.
Wtf
Suspected radical Islamist, Serb national Mevlid Jasarevic, was wounded and arrested after opening fire Friday on the U.S. embassy in Sarajevo. (Reuters)
hmm...interesting...relates to a point I raised earlier in the thread about "Israeli Arabs". Most of them are not Israeli no matter how much Israelis want them to be. Some regions are inherently fecked up wehn it comes to national/ethnic identity.
He might as well have a Chinese or Swedish passport, the point is there's a number of radical Muslims in Bosnia, Serbia, etc, causing problems and pissing off everybody, even the moderate Muslims. The funny thing about this whole incident is the extremely bad timing as Izetbegovic claimed radicals do not pose a threat and no extremist camps exist.
Unesco grants Palestine full membership | World news | guardian.co.uk
Great news, though tainted by the fact that the US has typically thrown its toys out the pram with its childish threats. Neutral party indeed.
Though I wouldn't want to be certain US politicians right now, AIPAC won't be best pleased that Hilary and co have failed thy bidding.
Great news, though tainted by the fact that the US has typically thrown its toys out the pram with its childish threats. Neutral party indeed.
Though I wouldn't want to be certain US politicians right now, AIPAC won't be best pleased that Hilary and co have failed thy bidding.
One Serbian bloke is not going to threaten the stability of Bosnia
Massive win for the fundamentalists to withhold funding. Not only are they bullying the UN general assembly over funding but now they've gutted funding to the promotion of science and rationalism. fecking cnuts.
What stability?!
I wonder how this is going to be implemented in the new UNESCO state
I don't see a problem. Maybe they were inspired by the 'prevention of genocide' aspect and hence decided to give Palestinians membership.
The world voted in favour, those who voted against had personal reasons to do so. Democracy won
I don't see a problem. Maybe they were inspired by the 'prevention of genocide' aspect and hence decided to give Palestinians membership.
The world voted in favour, those who voted against had personal reasons to do so. Democracy won
Just wait till the funding dries up and see who wins.
At the end of the day, fundamentalist assholes are going to believe whatever their particular religious or cultural influences tell them.
The moderates experience these same influences and are made more extreme by the fundamentalists, if these beliefs are left uncontested. There is a duty to challenge ignorance, but the threats to cut funding can be very persuasive.
If the US goes ahead with its petty threats of cutting funding, then it'll be exposed to the world for what it is. UNESCO could do without a petulant crybaby who allows her foreign policy to be dictated by corporate and lobby interests. Good riddance I say, don't let the door hit you on the way out etc.
It's cut. $60Million was supposed to be paid in November. Yet they still want an influence in UNESCO policy.
Interesting video. This is a good example of hegemonic power diffusion where U.S. policy on Israel is isolating it internationally, while simultaneously multilaterals are gaining the upper hand.
That journalist chewed up and spat out that bitch like a boss.
But more of the same mantra really - "blah blah, bring two parties together, blah blah, undermine peace efforts' blah blah premature".
You'd think that serve as a cue to a radical revision in foreign policy, but I won't hold my breath so long as your policy is essentially determined by corporate and lobby interests.
The US doesn't realise that maintaining its status quo in regards to the Middle East will do it more harm than good.
You're partially right.
The domestic conditions which compel U.S. policy makers to be so ardently pro-Israel are in full effect right now with next year's election looming. Obama would be giving Republicans a lot of room for criticism if he did a sudden 180 and supported any of the Palestinian statehood proposals - at a time when the economy is bad, unemployment is high, and any additional perceived negatives might be enough to tip the balance in favor of his Republican opponent. It's somewhat similar to U.S. policy on Cuba for years, where candidates were perpetually pandering to Florida voting demographics to get the Cuban south florida vote. The bottom line for the U.S. policy on Palestine is that irrespective of the international support it has, the fierce undercurrent of domestic U.S. politics will trump any perceived downside of offending the likes of the UN or UNESCO.
Its just such an inadequate way to achieve status of a State. Even if the entire world recognized Palestine as a state, it wouldn't make a real difference until there's a deal with Israel.
I do think that the US could pressure Israel a bit more to negotiate, and the main shame in my opinion is that that's not gonna happen.
But I do agree with US position as far as these votes in the UN go. Countries like my own Brazil get a chance to vote indirectly on an issue that's none of their business, they accept Palestine as a member, but yet are unwilling to pony up the dough to keep the UN running.
I do think that the US could pressure Israel a bit more to negotiate, and the main shame in my opinion is that that's not gonna happen.
But I do agree with US position as far as these votes in the UN go. Countries like my own Brazil get a chance to vote indirectly on an issue that's none of their business, they accept Palestine as a member, but yet are unwilling to pony up the dough to keep the UN running.
Why is it the US's business then to veto on UN resolutions that involve countries thousands of miles away which should not concern it?
(Yes, I know we know the answer as to why but I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
And all this does is illuminate the shambles that is the current political system in the US. Until money and corporatism is well and truly distanced from politics, then the US is doomed to an ongoing cycle of...well nothing happening and the unfortunate status quo remaining, though I suppose that argument would be more appropriate for the other thread.
Regardless though, the world doesn't have time to wait for the US political system to 'fix itself', initiatives such as this, are I believe the only way to break the deadlock that is the 'peace talks' between Israel and Palestine and really get the ball rolling for genuine developments. I'm sure our resident Israelis and in fact everyone here would agree that it beats firing rockets and sending 'martyrs' to their deaths.
What it says is that domestic conditions and strategic culture within a given country - including hegemons, still plays a dominant role in that country's foreign policy decision making process.
The resident Israelis can report that these are complementary tactics. When the UN chief calls for "maximum restraint" from Israel when its residential areas are targeted by rockets (war crimes?) it's little surprise that the "United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization" decides what entity is or isn't a sovereign state.
roting in their graves both.
Still?
Though it is very nice to be liked, I don't think it's the Brits' business to decide whether there's a Jewish homeland in the historic Land of Israel.
Obviously the declaration played an historic role in the process leading to the creation of the state of Israel, but it doesn't add or take away an ounce of legitimacy to Zionist ideology.
Interesting to see reference to "non-Jewish communities" but no mention of the famous "Palestinian people".
Obviously the declaration played an historic role in the process leading to the creation of the state of Israel, but it doesn't add or take away an ounce of legitimacy to Zionist ideology.
Interesting to see reference to "non-Jewish communities" but no mention of the famous "Palestinian people".
Of course you are here. There are plenty of non-Jewish communities in Israel. In fact, the Jewish State of Israel is responsible for the higher standard of living enjoyed by its non-Jewish communities compared with other no-Jewish communities in the region.
Israel rushes settlement growth after Unesco accepts Palestinians | World news | The Guardian
That'll teach them Palestinians for using peaceful, diplomatic means to achieve statehood.
That'll teach them Palestinians for using peaceful, diplomatic means to achieve statehood.
...or alternatively emphasize the futility of unilateral measures.
The Pope's Catholic then?!
Well, this takes funny to another level...
Microphones pick up Sarkozy and Obama's Netanyahu gaffe | World news | The Guardian
Microphones pick up Sarkozy and Obama's Netanyahu gaffe | World news | The Guardian
^Just saw that
hahahahahah
hahahahahah
I'm going to love how this gets spinned.....
Oh come on! They were talking about how he lied about what he had for dinner!