Which brings us back on topic, which is the core issue of the thread title. The Arabs are sworn enemies of the basic idea of a Jewish state. Within ANY borders.
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Which brings us back on topic, which is the core issue of the thread title. The Arabs are sworn enemies of the basic idea of a Jewish state. Within ANY borders.
My only grievances with Israel have the do with the causalities caused amongst the Palestinian civilian population.
Oh, I have tons of grievances with Israel. However, fighing a defensive war against an enemy sworn to drive us out of here isn't one of them. Neither is not giving up the fight if we're targeted from populated areas across the border. There is really no alternative to the actions taken by the IDF in Gaza. None. Not even one of those condemning Israel here came up with a realistic alternative that will guarantee the removal of rocket fire from Gaza to Israel.
You have to question what causes people to have such a special, long-lasting hatred of the Jewish people. I won't provide an answer, just giving food for thought.
Envy; spite; the need to define 'the other'; fear; pure stupidity; tribalism -- take your pick.
(And it's not as if I don't see the anti-semitic subtext, Herman, but I choose to ignore it. Don't try that sneaky tactic ever again.)
Lol. I am not antisemitic. I actually view Israel as the Lord's inheritance and so I love the Jewish people for God's sake. Hardly sneaky if I was trying to veil my own antisemitism with a comment as leading as that.
I'm sorry that I'm getting personal, but I think the way you handle yourself on the Caf is rather underhanded. You also give me the impression that your perception of yourself is unrealistic.
"Extremely handsome, intelligent, gay and talented." You too.
People don't pick those taglines themselves lol
He did set himself up for it.
For what?
For the quip.
Nevermind
Actually; I asked for them to change it in jest and the feckers went on and bloody changed it. But I don’t take myself too seriously on the Caf and a bit of self depreciation can’t do any harm I guess.
Never mind what?
Well, what do you know, a couple of hours before ceasefire ends, Hamas is launching rockets again.
63% question the future of Jews in the UK
Almost two-thirds of British Jews have questioned their future in the UK amid rising antisemitism and mass protests against the Gaza war.
In a straw poll conducted by the JC this week, 150 people were asked: “Since the protests against the war in Gaza began, have you or your friends had a discussion about whether there is a future for Jews in the UK?”
Just over 63 per cent answered “yes”.
July was the second worst month of antisemitism since British records began, with 240 incidents logged by the Community Security Trust. A spokesman for CST said that the number of incidents continued to “rise steadily” during the first two weeks of August.
Concern was echoed around the country. In Manchester, Carole Sewelson, 70, said: “I used to live in Israel but I do regret coming back to the UK. I can’t understand the hatred in this country, the antisemitic remarks, when we are all British.”
Glenn Cohen, 25, a shopworker from Prestwich, said: “I think about leaving all the time. I love this country, but there are hotter countries where you don’t get all of this tension.”
In London, 30-year-old housewife Yael Wilk said: “I think everyone in Europe feels unsafe.
“My husband is half-Israeli. We are absolutely desperate to make aliyah. More than ever, we want to leave to go to Israel.”
Scottish communal leaders expressed fears over the future, saying there was a “disproportionate obsession with Israel in Scottish public life”.
According to the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities, “a number of people have said that they no longer feel welcome in Scotland and that they are actively considering moving to Israel”.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/121362/63-question-future-jews-uk
Almost two-thirds of British Jews have questioned their future in the UK amid rising antisemitism and mass protests against the Gaza war.
In a straw poll conducted by the JC this week, 150 people were asked: “Since the protests against the war in Gaza began, have you or your friends had a discussion about whether there is a future for Jews in the UK?”
Just over 63 per cent answered “yes”.
July was the second worst month of antisemitism since British records began, with 240 incidents logged by the Community Security Trust. A spokesman for CST said that the number of incidents continued to “rise steadily” during the first two weeks of August.
Concern was echoed around the country. In Manchester, Carole Sewelson, 70, said: “I used to live in Israel but I do regret coming back to the UK. I can’t understand the hatred in this country, the antisemitic remarks, when we are all British.”
Glenn Cohen, 25, a shopworker from Prestwich, said: “I think about leaving all the time. I love this country, but there are hotter countries where you don’t get all of this tension.”
In London, 30-year-old housewife Yael Wilk said: “I think everyone in Europe feels unsafe.
“My husband is half-Israeli. We are absolutely desperate to make aliyah. More than ever, we want to leave to go to Israel.”
Scottish communal leaders expressed fears over the future, saying there was a “disproportionate obsession with Israel in Scottish public life”.
According to the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities, “a number of people have said that they no longer feel welcome in Scotland and that they are actively considering moving to Israel”.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/121362/63-question-future-jews-uk
63% question the future of Jews in the UK
Almost two-thirds of British Jews have questioned their future in the UK amid rising antisemitism and mass protests against the Gaza war.
In a straw poll conducted by the JC this week, 150 people were asked: “Since the protests against the war in Gaza began, have you or your friends had a discussion about whether there is a future for Jews in the UK?”
Just over 63 per cent answered “yes”.
July was the second worst month of antisemitism since British records began, with 240 incidents logged by the Community Security Trust. A spokesman for CST said that the number of incidents continued to “rise steadily” during the first two weeks of August.
Concern was echoed around the country. In Manchester, Carole Sewelson, 70, said: “I used to live in Israel but I do regret coming back to the UK. I can’t understand the hatred in this country, the antisemitic remarks, when we are all British.”
Glenn Cohen, 25, a shopworker from Prestwich, said: “I think about leaving all the time. I love this country, but there are hotter countries where you don’t get all of this tension.”
In London, 30-year-old housewife Yael Wilk said: “I think everyone in Europe feels unsafe.
“My husband is half-Israeli. We are absolutely desperate to make aliyah. More than ever, we want to leave to go to Israel.”
Scottish communal leaders expressed fears over the future, saying there was a “disproportionate obsession with Israel in Scottish public life”.
According to the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities, “a number of people have said that they no longer feel welcome in Scotland and that they are actively considering moving to Israel”.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/121362/63-question-future-jews-uk
Shame if this is the case. Hopefully the anti semitism will lose it's steam soon. I've not actually seen any anti semitism in Manchester. I did read somewhere though that most anti-semitism and anti-islam attacks were actually done by none jews/ muslims, which makes this article of a picture of a scary Palestinian supporting woman a bit annoying.
Would be interesting to see the source you mention, claiming that Muslims are not behind the increase in antisemitic attacks. I wouldn't expect classic antisemitism to be a huge problem in the UK.
That women is scary. Her "Free Palestine" shirt has a map of my entire country. Is that what the "Free Palestine" UK brigades want to liberate?
Having a dig for the article, but I did read a few weeks ago. She's a scary woman but not necessarily an anti-Semite. Just a protester.
Does the "free Palestine" slogan typically accomany a map of the entire territory from the river to the sea, or is it just the WB and Gaza maps?
Wheres the anti semetism in those protests?
I walked past the protest outside the beauty store. No anti Semitism. Just protests for Israel to stop killing civilians.
63% question the future of Jews in the UK
Almost two-thirds of British Jews have questioned their future in the UK amid rising antisemitism and mass protests against the Gaza war.
In a straw poll conducted by the JC this week, 150 people were asked: “Since the protests against the war in Gaza began, have you or your friends had a discussion about whether there is a future for Jews in the UK?”
Just over 63 per cent answered “yes”.
July was the second worst month of antisemitism since British records began, with 240 incidents logged by the Community Security Trust. A spokesman for CST said that the number of incidents continued to “rise steadily” during the first two weeks of August.
Concern was echoed around the country. In Manchester, Carole Sewelson, 70, said: “I used to live in Israel but I do regret coming back to the UK. I can’t understand the hatred in this country, the antisemitic remarks, when we are all British.”
Glenn Cohen, 25, a shopworker from Prestwich, said: “I think about leaving all the time. I love this country, but there are hotter countries where you don’t get all of this tension.”
In London, 30-year-old housewife Yael Wilk said: “I think everyone in Europe feels unsafe.
“My husband is half-Israeli. We are absolutely desperate to make aliyah. More than ever, we want to leave to go to Israel.”
Scottish communal leaders expressed fears over the future, saying there was a “disproportionate obsession with Israel in Scottish public life”.
According to the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities, “a number of people have said that they no longer feel welcome in Scotland and that they are actively considering moving to Israel”.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/121362/63-question-future-jews-uk
This was a survey done of 150 people, which is a ridiculously small sample for that kind of headline. The question is also whether they have had a discussion about it and the article frames it like 63% of the British Jewish population feel under threat - it really is just a piece of blatant fearmongering with no solid statistical basis. You've questioned my sources before but this really takes the cake.
It's not a very small sample considering the overall Jewish population, and a pretty good source for a survey among British Jews.
300,000? Represented by 150?
There is clearly a problem. Look at all the pro-Palestine hipsters in the video in that link above. Bigots.
There is a problem, but that article claims two thirds of British Jews are questioning their future in the UK without the evidence to back it up, which will just result in more people doubting it themselves. This kind of hysteria from either side just exacerbates that problem.
I'm not a statistician, but I don't think it is a particularly small sample size. I guess the sample included 150 adults, with just under 100 of them having discussed among themselves the future of Jews in the UK.
I guess we disagree on that. There's nothing wrong with the poll itself and the results aren't good but the headline and the question still don't match.
It struck me as pretty low, a totally different issue but there is a huge amount of polling being done in Scotland just now over the independence issue in small towns and cities, populations of 2/3 hundred thousand people normally poll at 500/1000 to have any weight. I would also think that British Jews are such a diverse group from all over the UK with different political views which would lead to a greater disparity and an even greater likelihood of skewed statistics with such a small sample size.
It struck me as pretty low, a totally different issue but there is a huge amount of polling being done in Scotland just now over the independence issue in small towns and cities, populations of 2/3 hundred thousand people normally poll at 500/1000 to have any weight. I would also think that British Jews are such a diverse group from all over the UK with different political views which would lead to a greater disparity and an even greater likelihood of skewed statistics with such a small sample size.
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Polls prior to general elections here include 400-500 respondents, and give a pretty good prediction of the eventual results despite the fragmented nature of Israeli politics. Compared with a population of 7-8 million people, the Jewish population in the UK should be reasonably sampled by a group of 150 adults, particularly in light of a yes-or-no question. The quoted figure doesn't matter tat much either. The picture would have been bleak even if it was 40%. Antisemitism in the UK is more of a British problem than a Jewish one, and you better not sweep it under the carpet.
Its a really small sample.
How much bigger are they when the 200-fold larger general population is surveyed?
Anti-semitism on the increase in the UK? I guess we can add that to the long list of negative consequences that have arisen from Israel's strategy in this conflict.
A poll can reflect what ever the authority conducting the poll wants it to reflect.
There are so many variables that influence a poll.
Ill feeling towards Israel will peak and decrease as it coincides with news coverage , and we can all get back to hating Muslims and people on benefits.
There are so many variables that influence a poll.
Ill feeling towards Israel will peak and decrease as it coincides with news coverage , and we can all get back to hating Muslims and people on benefits.
Nevermind antisemitism in the UK. Check out the contribution of Zionsim and the endothermic creation of the Jewish State in 1948 to global warming. Scandalous
The poll reflected sentiments among British Jews and not Israelis. With the exception of Amir I reckon few Israelis would contemplate moving to the UK. Automatic association of British Jews with Israel and its policies should be a concern, don't you think?
Nevermind antisemitism in the UK. Check out the contribution of Zionsim and the endothermic creation of the Jewish State in 1948 to global warming. Scandalous
You don't think there's a direct, causative, correlation between the recent bombardment in Gaza and this (alleged) increase in anti-semitism outside Israel?