Yes, we'll have to disagree. It is a lip service because when a people elect a leadership with a clear genocidal agenda they are accountable for the outcome. And when the outcome is a barrage of thousands of rockets on populated areas in a neighbouring democracy there should be only one party the free world should side with. Criticism and ideas about a long-term solution aside, this latest round of violence is as easy a scenario as you're gonna get to exchanges between good and evil. The digraceful conditioning of war crimes allegations by Western apologists of Hamas not only smacks of double standards, but undermine the weakening of Hamas and the chance for a future moderate Palestinian leadership. The poor Palestinians are just excused for every mistake they make. Stinks of patronage, if you ask me. The poor primitive imbeciles can't tell between right and wrong, can they?
This wouldn't explain why the PLO (those secular moderates...) was founded in 1964 though, would it? Three years before the "occupation, caging, living hell" and so on. Perhaps their goal was not a two-state solution, because back then the WB and GS were under Jordanian and Egyptian control, respectively. There was no talk of a Palestinian state at all back then. Perhaps that was not what they wanted. Which leads me to stress again how poor the NI analogy is. What were the Sinn Fein/IRA territorial claims from mainland UK? The Palestinians and their leadership, whether Hamas or the "moderate" Fatah, do not acknowledge the right of the Jewish people for an independent state in the ME. I never watched FOX news, and I don't really care what they have to say. However, since you appear to be employing logic to your argument you should be able to follow mine too. Killing innocent Palestinian civilians will only result in strengthening Hamas and in international condemnation of Israel. Why on earth wouldn't Israel try and minimise civilian casualties during the Gaza operation? Forget morality issues, it'd be just counter-productive. Yet what we hear from some quarters is a choir of war crimes allegations. The simple fact is that we're fighting an enemy which is dedicated to the eradication of our country. That enemy enjoys popular support among the people they use as human shields, knowing the IDF does not kill civilians indiscriminately (otherwise, why use the tactic?). Then you enter the picture and fill your role in the play, by blaming the death toll on Israel.
Look, this is so embarrasingly clear, and therefore leads to one fundamental issue which seems to be in disagreemnt here. If one sides with the democratically-elected Hamas or Israel in this conflict is correlated with the support of Jewish self-determination in the ME. You may a very different stance to mine on that one, which would make discussing tactics and code of engagement in combat pointless.
Bomber Harris. He was in charge of the "area bombings" of German cities in WW2. Including Dresden where 25,000 civilians are estimated to have been killed in three days.
Indiscriminate bombing? You don't need a military background to understand that this is nothing but a slogan which has been in use by Palestinians and their biased suppoerters. Do you think that a month long bombardment of Gaza would result in the estimated casualty figures we hear about? At your own admission, you don't have an answer to the most basic of issues the Israeli side needs to address. And unlike you, they can't take their time on that because civilian population here is under constant rocket fire. These are indeed sad times, and believe me I have no joy in hearing about the death of innocents on the other side. The scenes are horrific, and I understand why people who are not fighting for their very existence will tend to be biased towards to "underdog".
We never had the luxury of tiring when fighting our corner as a minority.... nevermind posting here pays my bills.
