The figures are the same that have been quoted for 5 years. It's the details behind the numbers that contributed to the long sage, e.g. the inclusion of "Israeli Arabs" in the deal, the number of deported indviduals among the released terrorists and Israel insistance on not releasing some of prisoners in its hands.
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Whats an Israeli Arab and whats the significance of the quotation marks? What are you implying?
An "Israeli Arab" is the term used to describe the Arab citizens of Israel. the quotaion marks I use describe my contempt for the continued use of the term in a ridiculous attempt to "Israelize" those Arabs.
Most of them will tell you that they are Palestinian Arabs residing in Israel and not "Israeli Arabs". The majority of them identify with Israel's enemies and not with Israel, most probably because they can not and will not convince themselves or be convinced that they are any different from other Arabs in neighbouring countries. Moreover, they are politically engaged in efforts to undermine the nature of the state in which they reside, which depending on their success will cease to be "Israel".
So are they full citizens?
How did they get citizenship?
What are these poltical efforts you talk about?
^ Yeah....no chance.
That's what I thought, the ultra-Zionists would probably lynch Bibi there and then.
^ I don't think it's even that...1000 prisoners + the lifting of the Gaza blockade. It would be most one sided deal in history, well at least since the transfer of Andy Carroll to Liverpool from Newcastle for 35mil.
EDIT: Major brain freeze, meant to write newcastle not sunderland
EDIT: Major brain freeze, meant to write newcastle not sunderland
Not necessarily, the Gaza blockade is an illegal and immoral collective punishment for the people of Gaza, it really ought to be lifted without condition. A prisoner swap is a completely different kettle of fish.
Fireworks over Nablus all day today in celebration of the freed prisoners. One of my students told me that his cousin has been released after 20 years.
The UN declared the blockade legal.
The swap deal involved a soldier and a long list of convicted murderers. That's pretty much one sided whether it's 10, 100 or a thousand of the latter.
Did he go on to tell you what his cousin served time for?
What does untra-Zionist mean?
One panel in the UN declared it legal, not the UN in total
They are all soilders, just for different sides
Yes.
Ended up on the right side of the 1949 armistice lines.
http://www.mada-research.org/UserFiles/file/haifaenglish.pdf
That would be lifting the Egyptian blockade on Gaza
Yikes...talk about a major faux pas! I obviously meant Newcastle
Enjoy the company on your side. Depite the difficulty in having to witness released murderers I'm proud to be on the other.
Shalit works for an organisation which has murdered far more, you would be proud
To be fair to him, Netanyahu has shown that he is willing to do deals with Palestine on terms unfavourable to Israel.
That is encouraging for the future, but Holyland Red, what would be the political ramifications in the Knesset of freed prisoners instigating attacks on Israel?
That is encouraging for the future, but Holyland Red, what would be the political ramifications in the Knesset of freed prisoners instigating attacks on Israel?
Maybe the prelude for another operation Wrath of God.
The UN didn't declare it legal, the dubious Palmer report did. Besides, when did you start taking the UN seriously?
No arguments regarding the one-sided nature of the swap.
It's not the first, and unfortunately not the time israel releases Arab murderers in exchange for captured soldiers or even snatched dead bodies. In fact, Netanyahu got the full backing of his Kadima and Labour opposition.
I don't understand why you would entertain such a swap. It just encourages the enemy to repeat the same actions in the future. Great for the kids family but not good for Israel unless there is an unexpected outbreak of peace in the foreseeable future.
Enforcing a blockade on a territory from which rockets are fired on your territory is evidently legal. No other country would have needed a confirmation from a UN committe for this simple obvious fact, but Israel still got the Palmer committee approval.
As for the taking the UN seriously, I actually don't. In a way it reminds me of FIFA:
Warner acuses FIFA of racism and Zionism, vows to expose Blatter - Dirty Tackle - World Soccer Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Having said that, I agree that the blockade terms are draconian and should be revised.
Conversely it also encourages Israel, who can now capture thousands more Palestinians knowing they'll be worth one Israeli prisoner in the future
Conversely it also encourages Israel, who can now capture thousands more Palestinians knowing they'll be worth one Israeli prisoner in the future
Or to kill 1000 for each Israeli victim, citing Hamas exchange rate.
But then I told you knew very little about ME affairs.
But then I told you knew very little about ME affairs.
And you know feck all about Mancunian sarcasm.
BTW - was that English
True that, which explains why I keep away from threads discussing Mancunian sarcasm.
Would-be bomber tells Gaza kids to be like her - Israel News, Ynetnews
A would-be Palestinian suicide bomber freed by Israel in the prisoner swap for soldier Gilad Shalit told cheering schoolchildren in the Gaza Strip the day after her release on Wednesday she hoped they would follow her example.
"I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs," Wafa al-Biss told dozens of children who came to her home in the northern Gaza Strip.
Biss was travelling to Beersheba's Soroka hospital for medical treatment in 2005 when Israeli soldiers at the Erez border crossing noticed she was walking strangely. They found 10 kgs (22 lbs) of explosives had been sewn into her underwear.
A member of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an offshoot of President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, Biss was sentenced to a 12-year term for planning to blow herself up.
A would-be Palestinian suicide bomber freed by Israel in the prisoner swap for soldier Gilad Shalit told cheering schoolchildren in the Gaza Strip the day after her release on Wednesday she hoped they would follow her example.
"I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs," Wafa al-Biss told dozens of children who came to her home in the northern Gaza Strip.
Biss was travelling to Beersheba's Soroka hospital for medical treatment in 2005 when Israeli soldiers at the Erez border crossing noticed she was walking strangely. They found 10 kgs (22 lbs) of explosives had been sewn into her underwear.
A member of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an offshoot of President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, Biss was sentenced to a 12-year term for planning to blow herself up.
Too bad that Israel catered to Hamas in the late 80's, early 90's in order to disrupt the unity and secular character of most of the Palestinian society. Who would think that funding a group of religious fundamentalists would come back to haunt them.
I would have thought the best sentence would have been grant her wish and detonate her from a safe distance.
It turned out to be a mistake, little doubt about that. However, given time they'd have taken over with or without Israel's help.
Well, this is lovely, just had my first siren due to a rocket fired from the Gaza strip. My city (Rehovot) is just outside the area the rockets have reached previously. It appears tonight's rocket hasn't quite gone beyond the previous 'record' and hasn't actually reached Rehovot. Still brings back memories. Haven't heard the siren since the gulf war in the early 80s and Sadam's Scud missiles!
What sort of rocket could that have been, certainly they don't have Scuds now?! Stay safe.
It was a Grad
A reader's comment on Ynet:
There were many tweets by Palestinians in Gaza that there was an explosion in the Zaiton neighborhood. People are falsely mistaking this for an Israeli airstrike. Hamas, being the intellectuals that they are, probably thought it was a random airstrike and fired a rocket at Israel for no reason.
There were many tweets by Palestinians in Gaza that there was an explosion in the Zaiton neighborhood. People are falsely mistaking this for an Israeli airstrike. Hamas, being the intellectuals that they are, probably thought it was a random airstrike and fired a rocket at Israel for no reason.