The international community...yes you get respect from the corrupt leaders that rule this earth. You get no respect from the actual civilians who can see that Israel should be sanctioned and its leaders be put on trial for war crimes committed against humanity
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The international community...yes you get respect from the corrupt leaders that rule this earth. You get no respect from the actual civilians who can see that Israel should be sanctioned and its leaders be put on trial for war crimes committed against humanity
I know that, but I'm discussing this on RedCafe here which is an image of what Israel has to deal with globally. It's not very pleasant, but we can not address the hypocricy any further when even left-wing Israelis understand that we are defending our very existence here.
Ireland is the most hostile European country? News to me.
If you are with us great if you are not we are not bothered. It seems that is the motto in Israel.
Respect from 'international community', yeah Israel should be really pleased with that.
Poor Israel, they have poor reputation and donw even know why.. Way to defend your 'very existence'. It is really in jeopardy.
If you are with us great if you are not we are not bothered. It seems that is the motto in Israel.
Respect from 'international community', yeah Israel should be really pleased with that.
Poor Israel, they have poor reputation and donw even know why.. Way to defend your 'very existence'. It is really in jeopardy.
We get respect from leaders of countries marked in white/red. We do not get respect from those in green. Now what were you saying about corruption?
Blimey, even the Irish picked the right side this time.
Where there's a will there's a way.
This is truly sickening, like living in a cage, and settlers can do what they want...
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
We get respect from leaders of countries marked in white/red. We do not get respect from those in green. Now what were you saying about corruption?
Blimey, even the Irish picked the right side this time.
my friend. That is not respect. The analogy is like being best friends with the school bully i.e. USA. The others will follow you but that is all it is. You have USA on a leash because they need a strong presence in and around the Muslim/Arab countries and that is what Israel is. They can't afford to lose you guys. The other countries that abstained from voting are the pupils that basically do not want to get on the bad side of the bully.
Just because you have America in your backpocket means shit. When i mean the international community, i mean the actual people living on this earth which are not blinded by this terrible atrocity being commited. The people. Everyone knows nothing will happen to Israel no matter what they do. The major countries must see Israel as a big thorn in it's side but they need you to stay put. Obviously, they will prefer if you weren't making such a loud noise but they have to back you. That is not respect.
A screen grab about adhering to international law for Palestinians somehow translates to disrespect for Israel? Victim mentality from the bullies...
We get respect from leaders of countries marked in white/red. We do not get respect from those in green. Now what were you saying about corruption?
Blimey, even the Irish picked the right side this time.
And Ireland are a hostile country? Coming from someone who supports his own country bombing the shit out of captive civilians? You couldn't make it up.
Again you willfully miss the point about the rockets, but continue to use terrorists as the benchmark for your behaviour.
You actually get far more respect from our goverment than the people are happy with.
We get respect from leaders of countries marked in white/red. We do not get respect from those in green. Now what were you saying about corruption?
Blimey, even the Irish picked the right side this time.
Em ... they didn't pick, because as a democratically elected body they daren't go against the will of the people. They were covering their asses, by not picking. Talk about seeing what you want. Only 1 country 'picked' in favour of Israel.
I love this. Assumptions based on ......nothing.
Perhaps you should consider how many people are sick of Islamic extremism and putting Hamas out of business would be a good benchmark.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28558433
Obviously the people working at the UN must be all members of Hamas, members of RedCafe or Irish or something
Obviously the people working at the UN must be all members of Hamas, members of RedCafe or Irish or something
I did not miss you downplaying living under rocket threat.
I did not miss you ignoring the fact that Hamas terrorism is the democratic choice of the Palestinian people.
Does your government also automatically close ranks with the Yanks?
Hamas are proper bad eggs. Putting them out of business would be great. Unfortunately, what's going on now will only help them when it comes to recruiting new members. In the same way that previous Israeli apartheid got the horrible wankers into power in the first place. The very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Putting Hamas out of business would be a good thing, but not at the expense for the suffering as is currently been caused in Gaza.
The UN. Hmmm.
remember Entebbe?
UN Secretary General Kurt Walderhaim described the Entebbe raid as "a serious violation of the national sovereignty of a United Nations member state," (meaning Uganda). Dozens of Ugandan soldiers were killed in the raid. The Arab and Communist world condemned the operation, calling it an act of aggression.
No you are making things up. Neither of those claims are true. A thread debating Hamas would be very short as for the nth time, nobody here supports them.
Yes, we are very cosy with the US on a government level, again this doesn't sit well, especially when Israel bombs it's way into the news.
What assumption? That there is a global impatience with Israel?
Also your continued ignoring of the fact that NOBODY here supports Hamas is bordering on insane.
As if everyone doesn't agree putting Hamas out of business would be a good thing. Is it that hard to understand that it's the method and reckless, inhumane way Israel are going about it that's the problem?
As others have said it's going to win you nothing in the long run. You're only sewing the seeds of hate. The families of the dead will never forget what's happened and nor will their children for generations.
As others have said it's going to win you nothing in the long run. You're only sewing the seeds of hate. The families of the dead will never forget what's happened and nor will their children for generations.
Exactly. Even if you evaluate Israeli actions on a totally real politik level with no concern for morality, it's still indefensible.
Israel need Hamas more than they need peace. The latter would mean the end to expansion of settlements.
The idea that Hamas being elected at all is a poor reflection on Israel as opposed to some evil gene in Palestinians. They are a people without rights and without hope. It's the old JFK adage "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolutioninevitable".
Can someone verify the veracity of Fearless's quotes given his tendency to make stuff up?
Spot on.
Ironically, Hamas and Israel are perfect for one another. Hamas gets to use Israel's aggression to boost its support and recruitment, Israel gets to use Hamas to justify not making peace which they do no want.
Wagner?
That's is absolutely right. Israel expelled only Jews from the Gaza Strip prior to Hamas' rise to power.
The settlements still are illegal
And compensated by increasing settlements in the West Bank.
The Israelis pretty much admitted it had nothing to do with peace and concessions anyway, it was a clever maneuver to kill off the idea of a Palestinian state and to divert attention away from other settlements and borders.
Yup exactly this.
If people weren't Biblically illiterate, I wouldn't need to explain the basic understanding in answer to off-topic questions. I am glad you're comfortable with calling me crazy. I am just answering honestly. I'll give you my view on any subject you like if you ask the question, and it will be 100% what I know and believe.
What I can't understand is people who ask a question so they can laugh at the answer. If you genuinely suspected somebody was crazy, why would you goad them into doing something crazy (by your definition) and then laugh at them? That's a very twisted thing to do.
That includes many thousands of Jews and Christians and I am yet to see why the 1918 figure is more important than that of 1948, which is when Israel was re-established and follows the return of many hundreds of thousands of Jews to their homeland.
I suppose we should give Britain back to the Anglo-Saxons as well.
This is all semantics, no? The main point being that there are at least some Palestinians currently living in Israel who have as much historical right to call that part of the world their home as any Israeli. Yet they are being treated as second class citizens and face a concerted effort to drive them out of the country in which they and their ancestors were born.
Fox news.
But you see, most of the people being called Palestinian today don't come from the historical geographic location of Palestine. They come from Jordan, Egypt, Syria and so on. They have had the label "Palestinian" stuck to them for political reasons. There was a time when rich, Arab Muslims held Israel and could've created the Palestinian state everybody talks about but they didn't. They rejected peace.
The truth is, there are so many myths surrounding Palestine and the multitude of ethnic Arabs labelled "Palestinian" today that history is being revised. Palestine simply never was what people claim about it.
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Regardless of whether the term Palestinian is a retrospective one or not, they've been raising families and livelihoods in that land for generations. Is it right for a settler from Eastern Europe for example to be able to displace a Palestinian because of their religion?
We wouldn't even need to make these convoluted distinctions if Israel wasn't a state founded on racism.