You've admitted that your opinions on this are shaped on a book which has been proven to be incorrect.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Ah, if only it were so. You know, it's complete nonsense and that there were many Arabs living within the newly declared boundaries of Israel. Guess what, they were encouraged to leave by aggressive, Arab nationalists who wanted to destroy the Jewish homeland and take all of Palestine for themselves.
Asking a simple question is the best 'strategy' to get a straight answer. Your refusal to answer is explanation enough.
Ah yes, "you're a racist" jokes. My mistake, I should have known better.
We don't need Hamas for that. PIJ, Fatah and the rest of "factions" are not that peaceful themselves.
There is a school of thought that the massacre of women and children is wrong, by axiom. That is what people are saying. You are defending the killing of the innocents, it is you that the onus of explanation is on. You should prove that all avenues are exhausted, not us.
This is brilliant. If I answer, i am crazy, if I try to keep the conversation on topic, I am guilty of avoiding the question. Tell you what, if you won't answer an honest question, I won't answer a leading one.
What the feck has Operation Entebbe in 1976 got to do with the fact that today the United Nations has condemned Israel for bombing a United Nations School in Gaza? What is the logic behind this?
Is that why did so much Jewish and Christian heritage survive the Muslims controlling the areas for most of recorded history?
The Sunni Muslims in the region were the vast majority and already controlled it before it was stolen from them. They Jewish homeland is a religious joke.
What increase in settlement activity can you attribute to the period after the Gaza withdrawal and Hamas elections victory?
Could you further elaborate on that?
Survived is an interesting choice of wording, because that is precisely what it did. You should go to tafsir ibn kathir and read the conditions for jewish and Christian citizenship of Islamic states back in the good ol' days. You'll see for yourself what you're defending.
This is brilliant. If I answer, i am crazy, if I try to keep the conversation on topic, I am guilty of avoiding the question. Tell you what, if you won't answer an honest question, I won't answer a leading one.
What is so funny? What question did I not answer?
I'm sad to say this is a very accurate summary.
And you should see the dozens of similar Christian examples. What are we even arguing here? The point is that if you base your arguments on a book that is over a thousand years old and replete with inconsistencies (not to mention outright fiction) then you shouldn't be surprised when people don't take you seriously.
What about Jews losing theirs? Why was that acceptable?
How man Jews would have lost their homes compared to Palestinians? They were hardly going to be outraged either.
And I'm not defending religious prosecution, which has happened in every country through most of history, and continues to happen to this very day, either. I'm just saying that the land there wasn't a god given gift.
Except the Bible isn't replete with inconsistencies. Biblical scholarship (you know, the stuff that takes time and a lot of reading rather than just pulling up skeptical websites) has gone through each of the thousands of supposed contradictions and proven them not to be. Outright fiction is your opinion, which, like the other posters in this thread, you're posting as fact.
Not only that, you are persisting in a smear campaign; it is a smear to use my own religion and answers to questions in this thread as means to make my arguments seem illegitimate when, as I've said before, I've not used scripture to back up my support for Israel as she exists today. You're either willfully lying or need to read my posts again.
The difference between Christianity and Islam is that you cannot find justification for Christian oppression in scripture you must invent your own agenda. Which is what the Roman Catholic Church has always done, similarly, sadly enough, much of the protestant reformation that adopted a sort of "Kingdom now theology" in light of Calvinistic interpretations regarding the elect and those who were not. This is more of an Islamic philosophical presumption that that which happens is the perfect will of God and therefore all is justifiable in establishing a Christian state.
This is no more Biblical Christianity than Stalin's communist state was the secular humanism you'd profess belief in.
My favorite bits of the bible are where that guy lived in a fish and god told everyone he loves them before flooding the entire planet.
No, you brought religion into this. No one knew of cared what, if any, religion you followed until you brought it up. It isn't a smear campaign either. When you base arguments on the bible, you make it relevant.
As for the claim that there are no inconsistencies in the bible, I don't think anyone would benefit from further probing your deluded thought process so I'll leave it at that.
Since humans lived with dinosaurs, where did Noah keep them on the ark?
Hamas will not ever let Israel live in peace.
Hamas uses its civilians to shield its rockets, Israel uses its rockets to shield its civilians.
Big difference.
Hamas uses its civilians to shield its rockets, Israel uses its rockets to shield its civilians.
Big difference.
What does the Bible have to do with this topic?
I think they were adjacent to the billions of pairs of insects.
I'm not both, I'm catholic who doesn't give a damn to the priests, who believes family first above everything else. I believe religion shouldn't be near any government and any nuts leader/voice of any religion should be treated as a terrorist (and we have some here in US).
I'm defending the life of my family from rocket launched from hospitals and schools. If "arresting" the people launching these rockets from Gaza is a viable option I suggest you send your kids to do this. In the event you do, I'm sure the Israeli government would order the IDF to cease fire immediately.
BTW, have the Irish already expelled the Syrian ambassador? What about the Chinese?
A few pages ago he admitted the bible informs his opinion on this issue.
So we have a choice between supporting Hamas or Israel then?
You are quite deluded to assume I don't have more knowledge of the subject than you when it has been the major preoccupation of my life for years.
And again, by continuing to harrass me for my religious views demonstrates that you, and those who are doing the same, are the truly bigoted ones.
Is it the same UN that allows Hamas to use its compounds for storing and firing rockets?
The issue isn't holding Israel to Hamas (who no one defends). It is holding Israel to the values it professes.
Only Herman knows, but won't tell me.
Using rockets to shield civilians would be outright moronic. It's like explosion times 2.
The point I was making was that your logic makes it seem that you either support Israel's actions, or are a Hamas sympathiser. Is it not possible to find both of their actions deplorable?
Hamas have never claimed to be scholars, all they care about is killing Israelis IMO.