The Russians and Chinese not coming out of this looking particularly good. Not that Netanyahu would comply with any of these items if he thought they interfered with his military campaign.
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The Russians and Chinese not coming out of this looking particularly good. Not that Netanyahu would comply with any of these items if he thought they interfered with his military campaign.
Assuming this isn't satire, you ARE aware the US has veto'd pretty much every resolution in history, not only calling for a ceasefire, but also to condemn illegal settlements right? And you realise its a US sponsored genocide too?
I'm staggered that you're able to type that with a straight face.
I mean, they never stray away from the American propaganda official line.
Assuming this isn't satire, you ARE aware the US has veto'd pretty much every resolution in history, not only calling for a ceasefire, but also to condemn illegal settlements right? And you realise its a US sponsored genocide too?
The language in this resolution was pretty solid. Do you disagree ?
“To whom is the demand for compliance with obligations under international law [addressed to?]… Who is preventing the use of all available routes to the Gaza Strip? Who does not respect deconfliction and notification mechanisms?,” she said.
“We know the answers to these questions… Why then were the relevant demands in this resolution not clearly addressed to the occupying power, not even once?”
From the Guyana ambassador who abstained.
“We know the answers to these questions… Why then were the relevant demands in this resolution not clearly addressed to the occupying power, not even once?”
From the Guyana ambassador who abstained.
And while the US asking for only condemnation of Hamas, Israel continues its genocidal campaign burning homes and hospitals without a care in the world.
Ambiguous language to let doors open to do whatever the feck they want
Looks like it had opposition beyond the vetoes, unlike the US veto + UK abstain double act on every previous resolution (which they will continue when the Algerian resolution comes up for a vote).
Algeria as the representatives of the Arab league also voted against it. Nobody in the world other than the US, UK and Israel believes what you just said.
Yeah the "immediate ceasefire" thing isn't an option in the absence of a hostage return deal.
1:04 and 36:38 Algeria and Guyana get to the bottom of the 'ceasefire'.
Other countries that aren't involved in the hostage negotiations are completely irrelevant to the process. Unless its coming from the US, Egypt, or Qatar - the three countries involved either geographically or as interlocutors in hostage negotiations, they don't have any say in the matter. After today''s vote, its also highly unlikely the UN will be viewed as a legitimate venue to resolve the issue. That can only happen between Israel and Hamas and the three other countries working between them.
The resolution stops short of actually calling for a ceasefire, it only outlines a framework to reach it, under guarantees of all hostages being released from one side. It doesn't call for Israel to stop its genocidal onslaught, it doesn't call for them to stop their violence in the West Bank, or to even release their own hostages. Its a hollow resolution the US has drafted as a politicking trap, with no actual intention of ending the carnage. If they were genuinely interested in ending all this madness they wouldn't have veto'd the resolution put forward by the Algerians, nor would they have continued to play Santa for Israel's constant request for arms.
The fact you mention this putting Russia and China in a bad light is laughable. There's plenty of arenas where those two look abhorrent, but this ain't it. The US for decades has been the single largest barricade to a lasting peace, blocking any meaningful diplomatic condemnation of Israeli crimes as well as arming these genocidal maniacs. They don't get to pretend that they're finally the arbiters of peace with this craftily-worded resolution.
Algeria's vote against this fake, PR of a resolution shows you the viewpoint of Egypt and Qatar in regards to the US's biased role in this. That's probably why all negotiations have failed so far despite the US and Joe Bidens constant claims that they can successfully negotiate a ceasefire.
State sponsored propaganda, US edition.
The ceasefire is contingent on both parties agreeing to it, which can't be imposed by the UN in the absence of both Israel and Hamas agreeing to what they've been negotiating via Qatar and the US for weeks now. Therefore the ceasefire will only happen when both parties come to an agreement, not when the UN issues an unenforceable decree that would be ignored by the Israelis.
The deal that has allegedly been on the table for a hostage swap and 6 weeks of ceasefire should be accepted by Hamas. Even though Hamas don't want fighting to resume after the conclusion of that period, the six weeks can still be used to continue negotiations to extend it. At this time, that is the only option to avoid an imminent attack on Rafa, famine, and thousands more dead and wounded.
I think I agree with you on most points, but I’d only add that we should also not pretend like Russia or China gave one single feck about the life and suffering of the people in Gaza. They’ll continue to vote in their own interest just like the US.
Yeah I don't disagree there. I don't believe for a second either of those two are sincere with their concerns, not considering their own track records closer to home. But they aren't the culpable party here, and its laughable to point fingers at them, ignoring the backdrop to why we're even here.
China and Russia are playing the game. Trying to gain influence with the Arabs in the middle East while the US shoot themselves in the foot.
And its working. The US choosing to die on this hill will only further dampen their regional influence to Russia and China's benefit. We're already seeing a similar effect play out in Africa.
repellent country. at least the bloodlust of israel and the us makes sense. this combination of performative guilt, moral certitude, and govt-sponsored genocide apologia is nauseating.
Nice little present for Blinken on pointless visit to Israel number 57.
It's not just that, they benefit directly from the genocide financially.
I'm waiting for the thread calling to boycott the Euros in the football forums.
I don't think anyone has made such claims in the absence of cooperation from both parties. Ultimately, its up to the Israeli government and Hamas leaders to make this happen.
Absolutely worthless US resolution which allows continuing to kill civilians under the oh but Hamas excuse
"I remember we got into some UN office in charge of helping families in Gaza affected by the war. And we destroyed it."
Commit a genocide and take the land of the indigenous people. European Americans can always culturally identify with this.
The only way to stop Israel commencing another slaughter in Rafa and to help cease the ongoing famine is if the US stops sponsoring it and demands the Israelis let aid in, its not that difficult. Drafting pointless resolutions like this one achieves nothing besides pathetically attempting to deflect culpability to powers like Russia and China. Thankfully it appears the wider world can see through the US' insincere posturing.
I think we should give these a temporary shelter inside (whatever is left of) Al shifa hospital
Yes but that is pure pie in the sky fanaticism given that you already know the US is not going to ditch Israel. The resolution of course may not have made a big difference either given that a divided UN is feckless and unable to make a difference. What a galvanized resolution could've potentially done, is put more pressure on Netanyahu to not go into Rafa without a plan to mitigate civilian deaths. That doesn't appear very likely now given that the Israelis appear to be planning on going in irrespective of what the US or UN have to say about it.
Then you admit the whole spectacle is a little pointless. If the US is unwilling to reel the Israelis in then they only have themselves to blame for the impending slaughter and famine, not anyone who decided to veto/abstain this fruitless resolution.
Yes, ultimately the Israelis aren't going to listen to the UN. Netanyahu would however be under much more pressure than he is now if a galvanized UNSCR involving all five permanent members in agreement was passed. It would at a minimum buy those seeking to delay the Rafa invasion more leverage.
If there was any supporting argument against torching the United Nations, as a body, down to the ground before today, it just vanished today.
The Russians and the Chinese already shot themselves in the face a long time ago. I'm not even talking about how much of a joke whatever "aid" they send is.
The Russians and the Chinese already shot themselves in the face a long time ago. I'm not even talking about how much of a joke whatever "aid" they send is.
Really? Just today?
Yep, there was a good article about this earlier this month.
The negotiations happening for a couple of months now have also been pointless because there has been zero intent from Netanyahu to treat it as anything more than an excuse to buy him more time to continue his genocide. Anyone with a clue knows this and the US has willingly provided the perfect cover for it.