Who's Conricus?
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Who's Conricus?
Splendid, you’ve chosen to selectively quote a snippet from a report that’s quoting the words of an IDF spokesman.
Clutch any harder and you’ll burst a vein.
One life wasted is too many. What a terrible tragedy. Palestinians have nowhere to go now. US doesn't give a feck, Israel doesn't give a feck, the Arab world doesn't give a feck. They will be further driven into organizations like Hamas who will monetize the martyrs. What a fecking clusterfeck.
Jonathan Conricus - International Spokesman & Head of Social Media of the IDF.
I never said that no innocent protestors were targeted. If, after it’s been proven, that a soldier intentionally targeted an innocent, then I would be the first to stand up and condemn the act and demand justice!
You just blindly believe that each victim was innocent because that’s what you want to believe, so you can stay warm at night with your hatred burning inside of you.
Betweenn bursting veins in anger and hatred burning inside, I'm sure something amicable can be sorted out.
How else am I supposed to quote a media report? You want me to quote the whole article? My point is that in most media reports, it will have differing views. I don’t personally read Fox News, but I’m guessing that they might even report that Hamas says the victims are innocent and IDF says victims were combatants.
My use of the AP “snippet” was to remove your invalid argument that your news sources are accurate, while other people’s sources are false.
i truly hope so!
In the end, I believe that each and every poster on here wants a lasting peace, not only in Jerusalem and the ME, but in their own corners of the world as well.
Which goes back to @golden_blunder 's point about NI conflict, which also involved terrorist organisations. It was a long, terrible time in NI history with heinous crimes on both sides and dangerous levels of tension on both sides. The police resorting to mass murder was not a common or defensible thing.
Bloody Sunday was among the most outrageous moments in the conflict and it saw 14 civilians killed directly by the state. This, in a conflict lasting over 40 years, was an unforgettably tragic moment.
We're talking about an event magnitudes larger than that and the most appropriate thing you can think to do is ask what else they could do? That is shameful.
What is your source for this quote?
What on earth are you on about ?
Deleted scene from Mock the Week's "unlikely lines to hear from..." segment.
Sorry I keep raising it but I still don’t understand this massively irrational support for Israel by the west, it’s astounding.
I agree with you, was being facetious because I find Netanyahu's justification absurd
fecking knew shit like this would happen the second that orange idiot in the US declared Jerusalem as Israels capital.
What about the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995?
Was never signed by a president until Trump.
Edit: Invoked was the word I wanted to use.
I understand, but my point is that this idea didn’t just pop into Trump’s head (btw, I am NOT a Trump fan).
93 of 100 US Senators passed the law, with only 5 voting against it, which means it was vastly bipartisan. One of the main aspects of the law was to set aside funds to help with the eventual relocation of the Embassy.
Split that hair!
Israel threatening to attack Hamas targets in Gaza in response to the protests. This is absolutely disgraceful. Israel wants to precipitate an armed response knowing full well that the armed response would be feeble.
The Palestinians should be celebrating 70 years of independence. But Palestinian 'leaders' prefer to keep a nation from prospering by wishing to rewrite perceived past injustices, instead of remembering the past, living for the now, and building for the future. Sad.
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Do you have any idea just how much independence the Palestinians enjoy? Do they control their own borders? Air space? Their coastal waters?
The Access Points to their land? Do you know if the UN classifies the Gaza Strip or the West Bank as Occupied Territory by the Israelies?
Surely the point the bloke in the tweet is trying to make is that they rejected a chance for independence through their own state back in 47. I'm not clued on the history by any means but I think that is the point he is trying to make.
I was addressing the post not the tweet but perhaps we'd all benefit by knowing just a bit about the situation and history.
Of course. Regardless, it is hard to see any justification for the force Israeli troops used regardless of the history or context.
No surprises! Why open up a murder enquiry?
The British army said something similar on Bloody Sunday. It took 40 years for the truth to come out that they had lied and put forward false stories.
You would have thought that some media or video there would have captured gunfire coming from the Gaza side. Of all the new reports I watched I never saw one. Feel free to let us know if you found any however.
What I did see was a lot of people using slingshots and breaking up rocks, in some cases they didnt even look like proper slingshots but almost homemade. Which then would have been thrown at Israeli soldiers who I presume were in full riot gear and those rocks would have then simply deflected off causing little or no injury if they were even able to throw them that far.
It is simply an abhorrent and over the top use of force from Israel.
Perhaps Benjamin can show us another cabinet filled with CD's to prove to the world their actions were justified.
Honestly, I've just stopped watching most of the news on this conflict. It's terrible, but the discrepancies between outlets is so big, I simply don't know where the truth is anymore.
The footage of this massacre speak for themselves though. The Palastinians are slinging rocks, the Israelies use high calibre sniper rifles.
Honestly, I've just stopped watching most of the news on this conflict. It's terrible, but the discrepancies between outlets is so big, I simply don't know where the truth is anymore.
The footage of this massacre speak for themselves though. The Palastinians are slinging rocks, the Israelies use high calibre sniper rifles.
After yesterday I’d say that’s an option that’s gotten further away right now. Trump fanning the flames didn’t help either
Exactly. And on several occasions since 1947, the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected the opportunity for statehood through a two-state solution because it means giving up the right of return. Seeking recognition of statehood in international forums means i) the Palestinians have no need to recognise Israel as a Jewish State, and; ii) keep their aspirations of a right of return alive. Hence my post above, that Palestinian leaders would rather keep a nation from prospering to rewrite perceived past injustices - instead of accepting a two-state solution and building for the future.
Israel has never wanted a resolution. Why have the burden of fixed borders when you can carry on stealing land and expanding. All the talk about wanting a resolution and an independent Palestinian state is just that, talk. All a marketing ploy to try and placate the international community. Jews in Israel have long argued against the Zionist movement about its injustices against the Palestinians.
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I'll take your land turn you into refugees and give you a small portion back. Yes, a great deal, any sane people would bow in prostration in gratitude except those evil Palestinians.
What does that have to do with this incident?
Absolutely everything.
The Palestinians could have built an vibrant nation, but chose to destroy another. Repeatedly.
Today, the agenda in no different. Hamas spend a million dollars on each of the hundreds of 'attack tunnels', immediately depriving Gazans of financial support and bolstering the very blockade they moan about.
This is what baffles me too. Imagine someone stealing a thousand quid from you and after a few years offer to give you back a tenner and say, ah feck off, I'm giving some of it back, stop being a dick about it.
Hmm. Rejoice! Celebrate your independence when you were thrown out of your homes, off your land, evicted. 700,000 lost their land. Meanwhile the Israeli Government will allow you to make your new homes with the building supplies they ration out, use the water and electricity they eke out and btw you can cross your land if and when they tell you.
Perhaps that's the sort of Independence The Chairman likes.
From the article you posted:
"Could the Nakba and Palestinian dispersion have been prevented in 1948? As we may gather from the above account, the acceptance of the 1947 partition resolution by the Palestinian Arab leadership could possibly have prevented the armed conflict and its tragic consequences. But this would only have been possible if the leadership had been more pragmatic than ideological, as well as democratically elected, attuned to the political and economic interests of the Palestinian community, and not subject to the militant dictates of the Arab League."
There was no common political identity among the Arabs in Palestine. Palestinian nationalism originated in Zionism. Were it not for the existence of Zionism, the Arabs would have continued to view Palestine as part of Greater Syria. So under the Mandate and the Balfour Declaration the Arabs were afforded civil and religious rights. Evil? I criticised the Palestinian leadership for being intransigent!
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