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And here I thought that poster was being sarcastic
Not everyone, I was out protesting in lisbon with 100k people. I'm sure hundreds of millions around the world felt the same.
Define everyone.
There's been a certain number Israelis killed on 10/7 either through tank shelling, cross-fire, or deliberate strikes from the IDF, according to the "Hannibal doctrine" that would rather have their own people killed alongside their kidnappers than be taken hostages. The exact number is unknown but I'm certain that there will be an Israeli commission after the war to determine how many Israeli citizens were killed by their own forces that day. Just be clear, I'm in now way questioning the fact that Hamas did commit atrocities or deliberately target civilians. The videos and eye witnesses are more than enough to dismiss such claims.
The insane airstrikes carried out every single day since 10/7 by the IDF have most certainly contributed to the hostage death toll and it's been clear from day one that hostage rescuing was never a priority. The IDF managed to save one hostage in their 3 months long military campaign and shoot dead three others, which is quite an amazing feat, really.
People also forget that the while Israeli airforce is indeed one of the best in the world, aside from highly trained brigades like the Golani one, their army is mostly composed of conscripts with all that it entails. Very good at humiliating, brutalizing and killing unarmed Palestinians, as well as sniping children and women, but not quite as efficient when it comes to confronting an armed enemy that's willing to fight back. The amount of Israeli casualties caused by friendly fire is for example unusually high.
In consequence, and to avoid an inevitable blowback at home in case of an unacceptable body bag count, they chose to literally flatten Gaza, civilian deaths and hostages be damned, in the hope that it would reduce the risk for their own ground troops.
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Ok not everyone. But a vast majority. You know what I meant
I truly feel sorry for them. Just like the Gazansans, it's been three months in hell on Earth for them, and I hope that all of the hostages who are still alive will make it.
Netanyahu is on borrowed time and I hope to see the day where he's thrown in prison for the rest of his life. But I think that you have a massive problem with the extremists in his government. These aren't going away anytime soon.
I take your point that it's very common to seek to justify your team's actions and to ignore evidence to the contrary but the bolded just isn't true, at least for the UK. Polling at the time of the Iraq war shows that about 55% supported an invasion (before the horrors of it became clear). I don't think "vast majority" is an apt description of that percentage. It is, however, an accurate description of the 82% of Israeli Jewish respondents who replied that the IDF should show "fairly small consideration" (41%) or have "no regard at all"(40%) for the suffering of the civilian population of Gaza.
The parallel you are trying to draw isn't particularly strong.
Unfortunately the war would have only strengthened the extremists. Not to the stage where they take leadership themselves, but it will give them more control over any future govenment that includes them - and they already have quite a bit of power over Netanyahu as it is.
If we'd gone to general elections now, Netanyahu would have lost and the new govenment would not have included the extremists. But there's no sign of that happening, as Netanyahu will never cede his role and most if not all his coalition members have no interest in holding new elections. So this govenment could stay on, theoretically, for three more years (it won't, not the full term anyway). And by the time the next elections are held, who knows. People's memories are short.
As for Netanyahu, I doubt he'll ever spend a day in prison. And if he's on borrowed time, he'll still fight tooth and nails to maintain his role.
This thread could be filled with pro-Palestine people or even some who showed some semblance of sympathy and have lost their jobs in the last 104 days because of their stance. Others also lost some opportunities because of it and I'm sure there are many more who are scared to voice their opinion.
I think probably most people are just focused on their own issues, so indifference is probably the most prevalent feeling. Actively supporting horrible things is quite a different thing.
Interesting results.
Down from an average of 250? Biden really manage to rein them in.
I didn't know they had the right to vote on these stuff in these modern Western Countries. Oh wait!
Trouble is, most people don't vote on stuff like this. They vote on a combination of many issues, often mostly domestic/economic ones.
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Some good news
A state of what? According to some reports as much as 70% of Gaza residencies have been completely destroyed and many homes in the West Bank are being stolen from their Palestinian owners by Israeli settlers every day.
Don't forget the looting of banks and homes in Gaza.
Jake Sullivan wrote an article for Foreign Affairs where he boasted that thanks to the administration, "the [Middle East] is quieter than it has been for decades." It was sent to press on October 2nd, 2023.
I ridicule all the "fact-checkers" that this topic has had at that time, because writing was on the wall about what they were going to do. But sure, believe the free western press, dismiss anything outside as conspiracy theory and there you go.
163 killed in the last 24 hours while the cnuts in the US keep talking about lower-intensity operations.
72-11
10 Dems (Sanders, Warren, Merkley, some others), and Rand Paul.
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Interestingly, when you google butcher Biden a lot of results are him calling Putin a butcher.
“This is not complicity. It is a US war. “
It is.
The only difference is in the past, the US has tried to secretly fund one side.
Now they‘ve “matured” to not even bother to try and hide it. It’s no wonder IDF has a “we don’t give a feck what the international community think”… they learnt it from their sugar daddy.