I mean yes, full ethnic cleansing would certainly solve Israel's problems. The entitlement is comical if not morbidly depressing.
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I mean yes, full ethnic cleansing would certainly solve Israel's problems. The entitlement is comical if not morbidly depressing.
30 years of watching geopolitics and world affairs, yet getting all the wrong conclusions.
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I would argue that in the build up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine US intel was pretty spot on, it was also well communicated to the public and at the very least made me believe that perhaps US intelligence & foreign policy aren't wrong about everything, just everything related to the Middle East.
There's so much to unpick here.
For starters the Syrian civil war was a genuine civil war where thousands died on both sides, it involved several regional factions as well as a heinous terror group which awkwardly were fighting both the Syrian regime and some of the West's allies like the YPG, whereas certain NATO factions (Namely Turkey) found themselves indirectly on the same side of ISIS. It was a massive humanitarian clusterfeck and in no way comparable to what's happening in Gaza now, which is an asymmetrical campaign where a regional superpower is absolutely decimating a civilian population. The West wasn't exactly cheerleading for Putin and Assad during the civil war either, so the parallel you're attempting to draw bears no weight unfortunately.
As for the protests, the overwhelming majority of them were peaceful and transpired without incident. Of course considering the scale and numbers involved you were always going to get a minority of morons who were proudly waving Hamas banners, but predictably Israel's apologists and the right wing media decided to disproportionally give them more airtime, disingenuously conflating the protests with their own ideology. Interestingly enough, the minority of pro Israeli protestors who spewed hateful poison towards pro Palestinian Jewish protestors (such as claiming they should have been gassed by the Nazis) didn't receive the same conflation or coverage.
You don't have to like it, but facts are facts. Putin and Al-Assad are still walking free and even got the red carpet rolled out for them by the Arab League despite what had been done to Grozny and Aleppo. All they (the Arab League) care about is their wallet because they do not care about moral bankruptcy beyond a few empty words.
There's just inane ramblings and false dichotomies in that post of yours.
You tell me where I'm wrong then. I'm waiting.
edit: At least, I read around in order to build my opinion.
Putin takes lightning tour of U.A.E., Saudi Arabia — 2 countries where he won't be arrested (CBC, December 6)
Assad gets warm reception as Syria welcomed back into Arab League (Al-Jazeera, May 19)
Many Arab governments would like to see Hamas gone: And they worry that the war in Gaza will upset their economic plans (The Economist, November 12)
Whoever will be the Israeli PM in a near future after the war will be given a similar reception in other Arab nations.
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I doubt you will find many fans of the Arab leaders, they are just as complicit in my view. These same clowns were put in and are propped by their western allies.
At this point it's pointless engaging with people who make these arguments. It's a disingenuous point propogated by bigots.
Yep. And Mark Regev can't even answer on how the IDF knows they are Hamas as Hamas blend in with civilians. Typical IDF lies, like they're not even trying anymore.
What's that old adage about a broken clock?
Of course some intel is going to be genuine, but with any major power I'd always assess what skin they have in the game before taking it at face value. In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict its clear the US is not an impartial and benevolent faction, so their claims should be met with a degree of incredulity, which if the last 75 days has told us anything, is that its a dignified stance to have taken with the benefit of hindsight.
The majority, yes. However, I have noticed some kind of escalation in the last 7-10 days. Of course conservative politicians and media are usually the first to jump on the news of that minority of idiots doing stupid shit, but the sense of general concern has now reached liberal circles as well because more protesters are going as far as to threaten people on camera (that was in Toronto), disrupt businesses that have nothing to do with Israel (Ottawa), openly going physical on people, and basically behaving like people who openly disregard the laws of the land. In the United States, Alec Baldwin was confronted by a mob that had a well-known pro-Hamas agent provocateur in its ranks in New York, and black community activist Bobbie Avington-Johnson was badly injured in the 13th Congressional District (Detroit) Democratic Party Annual Holiday Party. How can anybody expect a cause to gain more supporters within the population with incidents like that in liberal cities?
Speaking for my hometown in Montreal, I have not seen nor even heard about pro-Israel protests in a good bit. The last few ones only reiterated the same message of returning the hostages as the priority. The Jewish communities are afraid of going in public because of threats and even shots being fired at local Jewish institutions.
Still not genocide?
Nah, not worth the effort.
Half-joke aside, you're comparing civil wars (also fuelled by foreign interference, ISIS, Turkey and the West in the Syrian case, Iran for the the Sudanese one) with the longest war of independence in recent history, between an occupying country backed by the whole of might of the West and an occupied population, so there goes the entire premise of your argument. @Kaos did give you fair glimpse of what went south when you tried to bring Syria into the discussion. Apples, oranges and all that.
Biden is behaving exactly like any US president before him and according to the US policy in the Middle-East (mixed with a bit of religious common points), which is based on the unconditional suppport of what they consider their bridgehead in the region. Netanyahu or not, international laws and Palestinian deaths be damned. And they've proven it exactly 47 times at the UNSC since the creation of Israel in 1948. Biden took it to 48 a few weeks ago, and probably to 49 in the coming days, much in line with US tradition. The cease-fire or the lack thereof rests on the US shoulders.
Neither Netanyahu nor any sane Israeli PM would ever turn their back to the most powerful country in the world that's basically allowing them to occupy and slowly eat away another country for free, and without any international repercussion. Without the US financial and military support, there would be no way for Israel to keep on doing what they've been doing for decades and I highly doubt that Russia would be as lenient or financially as generous. Voluntarily breaking up with the US is by definition committing suicide for Israel. That you even consider this eventuality shows how far off you actually are.
The allies of the US have nothing to fear and can't even be remotely be compared to Israel which is essentially a rogue state, pissing on international laws before breakfast, every day of the week. In fact of the US and the EU are going out of their way, at the risk of losing their own credibility to cover for Israel's misdeeds. You can't possily compare it, to say Taiwan which is minding their own business without being a threat to anyone.
Your last point is disingenuous and you're deliberately conflating pro-Palestine with pro-Hamas. There will always be some nutters and extremists who mix themselves with otherwise overwhelmingly peaceful protesters. There's been dozens, if not hundreds, of pro-Palestine protests rassembling hundreds of thousands of people which went without any notable incident. People are protesting for what is right and against the biggest injustice committed since the end of WWII with the tacit approval of most of the western countries. No amount of bad faith, gaslighting or event twisting will ever change that.
So yeah, you're just rambling and your view of this conflict is a few light-years off the mark. Willfully or not. I also don't think that you give a flying one of about the Palestinians, your "I hate Netanyahu's way of approaching the war and his lack of concern about the hostages" was a dead giveaway.
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@That_Bloke Come back in a few years' time to have that conversation again so that I can laugh at you. History is nothing but patterns repeating themselves and nations will always seek what is the most convenient for their interests with specific objectives.
I have to counter this point because I keep seeing 10.7 being treated as a new starting point for the conflict. Earlier on in the year Israel decided to kill all the leaders of Hamas with drones, including their wives and children. I can’t remember the exact date but I was following the news about Israel because we were meant to travel there in November. The minute I saw that Israel had done that I knew Hamas would retaliate, and they did.
US ready to back diluted resolution on more aid to Gaza as UN vote delayed
The original draft, which mentioned a “cessation of hostilities”, was changed to call for an “urgent suspension of hostilities to allow safe and unhindered humanitarian access and for urgent steps towards a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.
But the US-amended draft drops all references to a pause in fighting.
Instead, it calls for “urgent steps to immediately allow safe and unhindered humanitarian access, and also for creating the conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.
“Some of this language is slightly absurd,” International Crisis Group analyst Richard Gowan told the AFP news agency. “Other council members have to decide if they will swallow a weak text for the sake of a deal, or if this is just too thin to bother with.”
The language in the original text condemning the indiscriminate attacks against civilians in Gaza has also reportedly been removed from the latest draft.
“In effect, the US is voting for the continuation of the siege, for the continuation of the mass killings in the Gaza Strip. And most importantly, the idea of humanitarian assistance without a ceasefire is absolutely meaningless and illusory,” Rabbani told Al Jazeera.
4 days of negotiations for this nonsense. It's a game for those cnuts.
The original draft, which mentioned a “cessation of hostilities”, was changed to call for an “urgent suspension of hostilities to allow safe and unhindered humanitarian access and for urgent steps towards a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.
But the US-amended draft drops all references to a pause in fighting.
Instead, it calls for “urgent steps to immediately allow safe and unhindered humanitarian access, and also for creating the conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.
“Some of this language is slightly absurd,” International Crisis Group analyst Richard Gowan told the AFP news agency. “Other council members have to decide if they will swallow a weak text for the sake of a deal, or if this is just too thin to bother with.”
The language in the original text condemning the indiscriminate attacks against civilians in Gaza has also reportedly been removed from the latest draft.
“In effect, the US is voting for the continuation of the siege, for the continuation of the mass killings in the Gaza Strip. And most importantly, the idea of humanitarian assistance without a ceasefire is absolutely meaningless and illusory,” Rabbani told Al Jazeera.
4 days of negotiations for this nonsense. It's a game for those cnuts.
Yeah its pathetic really. The US doesn't want the optics of vetoing yet another resolution calling for a cessation of civilian deaths, but at the same time they don't want to upset the Israelis as they persevere with their bloodlust-filled carnage. You'd think there wouldn't be a need for a UNSC intervention to agree on delivering aid to civilians in dire straits. I'm guessing the US hopes the Russians end up vetoing this amendment so they could easily divert some culpability towards them, ignoring the fact they're the prime enabler for an essential genocide.
So is Bush and Tony Blair.
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Cold hearted, evil, right wing arseholes.
Together with the whole street and a bunch of civilians, I'm sure. Well worth it.
Boycott world cup in USA? Ban Israel NT?
Those of you uncomfortable with the notion of Israel committing war crimes ought to give this a watch.
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How naive are they?
Given there’s a clear plan to wipe out thousands of Palestinians AND Palestinian culture/history, what did they think IdF would do with this information?
Idiots.
Good interview with Daniel Levy who was a member of Israelis negotiating team.
so the US changed every point in the resolution behind closed doors, vetoed the Russian modification on one point, and at the end abstained from voting on their own (formally the UAE but in reality the US)
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so the US changed every point in the resolution behind closed doors, vetoed the Russian modification on one point, and at the end abstained from voting on their own (formally the UAE but in reality the US)
The whole thing couldn't be more of a farce if they tried.