It has been proven once again that anything coming from the US administration should be considered nothing more than propaganda.
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It has been proven once again that anything coming from the US administration should be considered nothing more than propaganda.
Her 'Many, many' comment just reminded me of Lassard from Police Academy. I just can't take anything she says seriously. Just a load of hollow bullshit.
It's a farce. The US modified every point of the Emarati document so they do not have to veto it (so they do not look bad).
So did Israel win yet? Surely with gaza razed to the ground and 20k+ people dead they should be.
Thank you for sharing. Basically what we have arguing with the pro Israelis that the Palestinians rejected the opportunity a state as they keep parroting this misinformation. We than Mark Regev for clarifying that with his own words.
Not Even close, their estimate of killing Hamas members is 7k of 40k. That if you believe their 7k number, because they are basically saying that all the men killed in Gaza from the 20k people killed are Hamas members, which is without a doubt BS.
Not a singel day passes by without hearing similar horrible comments from the Israeli political circle.
Not genocide guys. 
ahh, i guess killing 33k more and we can evaluate again.
How does the Israeli society react to the war? Is the massive support still there or slowly beginning to shift? How do the Israelis react to the international criticism of the IDF's RoE?
I'm not sure if people are aware how strong anti-US and anti-EU sentiment policy of unconditional suppport of Israel has created in me, many Bosnians and I'm pretty sure, many people around the world.
I don't want Russia, I don't want China, but I also despise USA and their fake values even more.
It's fine being armchair general and analysing things from geopolitical point of view, but in the end it comes down to people like me and you dying in horrible circumstances.
I am absolutely sure this will have dire consequences for the self proclaimed leaders of the free world in future. US have proven not to be better than Russia in my eyes, and that is something.
I don't want Russia, I don't want China, but I also despise USA and their fake values even more.
It's fine being armchair general and analysing things from geopolitical point of view, but in the end it comes down to people like me and you dying in horrible circumstances.
I am absolutely sure this will have dire consequences for the self proclaimed leaders of the free world in future. US have proven not to be better than Russia in my eyes, and that is something.
Israeli society support of the war is still strong. Some have probably turned and would like to see it end, but I fear it's a minority.
A bigger issue is the case of the citizens and soldiers abducted to Gaza - and if continuing the war would improve the chances of getting them released or do the opposite. There are some tears in fabric of society over that matter - part of which is political (and also driven by Netanyahu and his cronies, who are unable to accept any criticism of him).
As for International criticism - People here are certain it's caused by lack of knowledge in the world of what is actually happening here... Or just pure hatred toward Israel/antisemitism.
I'm afraid many Israelis tend to see things in a very one sided way. Which is not really surprising considering the fact that very few media outlets here show what is happening in Gaza. Not that many Israelis would care anyway, but if you don't actually see what is going on in Gaza then you have no one of understanding what the world is seeing and talking about.
The people in the ruling western countries have never been on the receiving end of a blatant injustice since the end of WWII.
Their countries are effectively ruling the world, so you can't expect from a good chunk of of them to understand your feelings or the feelings of the people who were the direct or indirect victims of their policies. It would be unfair to be honest, although there are are many voices of reason in Europe and the US trying to ring the alarm bells and make others aware of the growing resentment across the rest of the world. But it mostly falls on deaf ears, economics sanctions and/or bombs never fell on their heads. The angry ones have no power and can't threaten their way of life, so the majority of the western populations simply won't care. Especially when it's about people who are fundamentally different from them and to whom they just can't relate. And their governments act accordingly.
There's been no world equilibrium since the Soviet Union collapsed and the West has been holding all the cards ever since. And as you can see now in Palestine, when you hold all the cards, you do whatever the feck you want because there's no one can who'll hold you accountable and make you pay for your misdeeds. It's always been the case throughout history.
Nothing is unchangeable though. Civilizations rise and fall, and a time will come when the current masters of the world will eventually bite the dust, making room to the new ones.
That's more or less what I've thought, and feared.
Thanks a lot for your input and I hope to see you post here more often. Take care of yourself.
Thanks. I've been having a look around here on a regular basis but found little reason to get involved as things have been rather static for the last few weeks (as much as you can say 'static' on a deadly war).
Unfortunately, that is the view of some in Israel.
Mind you, this guy is not a politician and was never a member of the parliament. He just has some ties in the Likud (Netanyahu's party, which is as corrupt as shit). He's a former footballer who later became a football pundit thanks to his political ties (and was a laughing stock because he was so terrible at it).
Not surprising he found a new home to air his ugly views in channel 14 (which supports Netanyahu through thick and thin).
The crazy thing about this is that Gazans will respond in an even worse way thatn October 7th and everyone will pretend to not understand why.
Plenty already knew about the fakeness but this situation has just put it to the forefront in a very blunt way.
These values were never meant to be universal for the colonial powers, whilst it's commendable that human rights for their own citizens is to a pretty high standard however every other part of the world are just cannon fodder not deserving of the same rights. It's all about money and influence, which trumps everything else.
Awfully quiet form those who were vehemently arguing that the hospital was being used as a base. It's was so obvious it was BS. But yeah Biden blindly saying things like this is criminal, but it's expected.
I mean we’re talking about US presidents saying stuff to the people - just as they knew there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq for starters.
Thank you for the feedback. But May Golan 1 day before him came out saying this, she is no nobody.
Yep, she's obviously a member of the parliament and a minister (in an needless office designated for her in order to shut her up).
Aside for that, she is very much a nobody, hanging on the coat tails of Netanyahu, so she's also a major suck up. No one that matters takes her seriously.
She hates everything and everyone non-jewish. She's been one of the bigger voices in Israel in recent years against refugees from Africa (mainly Eritrea and Sudan) who have tried to find shelter in Israel.
Funny how most israeli officials calling for atrocities to be committed are invariably nobodies and shouldn't be taken seriously. Hamas officials, however, speak for all palestinians.
I understand your view on her and she is not that important in the political circle. But she is not alone, both the president and the PM came with genocidal statements. Herzog claimed there are no innocent civilians in Gaza while Netanyahu referenced to the Gazan people as Amalek in a indirect messages to kill men, women and children. The leading figures in the political system in Israel have been nothing less than a disgrace.
That's an unfair remark. You're getting input from someone who's there, has been very balanced and more importantly much better informed than you are.
This is not a slight on Amir in any way, but absolute majority of Israeli politicians are ok with genocide. Not all of them are outspoken, but if it's only nobodies who have genocidal thoughts, than why is genocide being committed as we speak?
He didn't quite say that, but I understand that his quote can absolutely be understood that way. It's disappointing, as he's normally much more mild.
And yeah, I won't deny what you've written about the politicians here. Many are looking for cheap political point as they know there are many in Israel who think that way.
While I appreciate his input to the thread, it is very important to have a genuine voice from inside Israel. But I do not agree with his dismissals of the Israeli state genocidal intent in their tone. I gave an example of both the PM and president.
Also I've seen plenty of Israeli commentators themselves frame the situation as "getting rid of Hamas is also in the interest of the Palestinian civilians". They don't say Hamas speaks for all Palestinians, they just condone the civilian casualties because they're also "helping" the Palestinian people by getting rid of Hamas.
I absolutely get what you're saying but and fully agree with you, but I don't remember @Amir doing that, if my memory serves me right.
The "Getting rid of Hamas for the good of the Palestinians" is the old condescending, racist, colonial way of infantilizing the Palestinians and a pathetic excuse for anyone with half a functioning brain. It's also peak hypocrisy, since Hamas has been empowered by the very ones who are now hell-bent on destroying it when it predictably went rogue and bit them in the arse.
I know what the Israeli government officials have been saying, and our freedom merchants would have had a massive stroke if it was anyone else who said that, or even worse, if it was directed at the Israelis/Jews. But @Amir is just pointing out how much relevance some of these people have from an Israeli point of view. It's something one should always consider, as there's two sides in this conflict.
I cannot speak about the Hamas officials. I've no idea about that.
As for the Israelis, I have to say that my disregard towards these politicians is not a positive thing. It symbolize the depths that Israeli politics has sunk into. There's a big bunch of low lifes in the parliament and the government as well. The number of ministers is unbelievably high - over 30 - which means that there are many who are holding offices nobody needs & no one has any idea what they actually do.
So when those people speak of such matters, it looks and sounds terrible. Actually, it IS terrible, because those are horrible things to say. But they are not really decision makers or anything like that.
This is not good enough, but it's better than them being able to dictate the decisions made by the people actually involved in running the war.
The visuals in this piece are insane.
The visuals in this piece are insane.
Very good piece.
Anyone know what happens to all the dead bodies in Gaza? Is there even space to bury them?
Beyond the dead bodies and I'm sure the final death toll will be absolutely horrific, how in the hell is the Gaza supposed to function when this "war" is over? The Israelis have been true to their word, it's going to be a city of tents at best.
The US suddenly developed some common sense and realised it's better for geo politics if they don't confront the Houthis.
They have saudi arabia for that Most likely they prefer to sell the arms to the saudis (on the billions so far in thd yemeni war) than spend them themselves