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The Saudis (and the Emaratis) backed down from participating in the red sea operation after threats from the Houthis of sending rockets toward their oil refineries.
I just watched Republican Michelle Bachmann talk about Gaza, I have never been more angry about how blatant genocide and ethnic cleansing can be talked about in public. It makes the blood boil that they never face any form of criticism for saying that out loud. But you could lose your job if you call for a cease fire.
Then the man beside her, wow.. how are these normal human beings?
Then the man beside her, wow.. how are these normal human beings?
These folk are white taliban even down to the oppression of women.
I always say I wouldn't be surprised, but again I be surprised.
If that would be a real menace for the saudis, the houthis would used it a long time ago during the war of the last several years, isnt it?
They did
in 2019 they put Aramco storages on fire.
But they are now on a truce since april 2022.
They did
in 2019 they put Aramco storages on fire.
But they are now on a truce since april 2022.
There you go. they didn't stop the war for 3 years knowing what they could do. Anyway, whichever is the excuse, it doesn't matter as long it doesnt escalate
The first tweet seems fishy. Dozens of civilians executed on the spot?
It's coming from the Gaza Government Media office and there are other sources. There have been a lot of testimonies of similar incidents though the number of people killed is usually not that big.
The journalists killed are up to 101 now.
If they consider them possible Hamas operatives then they would just murder them. They don't do trials and it's war so won't be imprisoning them.
Not far fetched to me given the footage we've seen.
The IDF has taken Hamas prisoners before though. The idea that they don't take prisoners and just execute on the spot doesn't really fly.
Take them to detention camps, and then kill them?
That is not very far fetched. It's an absolute lie.
If it happened, they wouldn't bury them in Gaza, where they could be found after the war. A quick autopsy would reveal a mass execution.
Not buying it, and you should really be careful with this kind of tweets.
Current IDF and Israel don't strike me as particularly concerned about being caught doing war crimes.
These are coming directly from a Gazan official. It's not created from thin air. The founder of a human rights organization which is where the tweet coming from didn't make it up. People can choose to whether believe it or not but history has taught us there is nothing beyond the IOF.
They do for example this sort of stuff regularly in a non-war zone.
The Russians have used mass graves, in Bucha for example, so it's perfectly conceivable that the Israelis would too.
And what? What would happen (that shouldn’t happen anyway)?
They‘re like a spoiled child.. been allowed to do pretty much anything for most of their life, no punishment, a parent who thinks they can do no wrong and now past the point of redemption.
US deemed Israel's intel unreliable on Hezbollah's intentions and told the Israeli's not to do it.
How do those things connect?
The US dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima, so is it perfectly conceivable that the Israelis would too?
There are many more similarities between Bucha and Gaza than between Hiroshima and Gaza though.
It doesn't make sense to me that they'd let such a blatant proof, in Gaza of all places, of one of the worst war crimes you can commit. Aren't they banging for decades about them being "most moral army in the world" (I'll always laugh so hard at this notion)?
The IDF is a criminal, racist and disgusting army, right in line with their criminal, racist and disgusting government and I consider them much, much worse than the Russians. But that dumb they are not.
They are all what you say and then some more, but there's a limit to how much you can push it. Furthermore it's much easier, and more sound, to take the "prisoners" to a remote place and discreetly murder them rather than do it in the open.
Unless irrefutable proof, I'm not buying this one.
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They are not. They've shot their own hostages which tells you everything you need to know about them. However, letting a mass grave in the open is a whole different ball game.
Without the US the whole region would've been in flames right now, and Israel getting every single missile the Hezbollah and the Houthi have.
Your comparison is a bit off, mate.
What strikes me is Israel's risk tolerance there. Starting a war with Hezbollah seems excessively risky for Israel.
Strongly disagree.
The reason the region is in flames is partly because of US geopolicy over the last half century. Helping toppling secular governments at the behest of Islamist factions, carrying out illegal invasions largely destabilising the region and allowing the vacant power vacuums to be filled by extremists.
Also it should be worth remembering that factions like Hamas and Hezbollah only exist because of Israel and hence the US' hegemonic policies, as is the whole existence of the Iranian Islamic republic (their prime funders and backers) who the US helped create as a resulting backlash from helping topple Mossadegh in the 50s.
When you had a monster like Kissinger pulling the strings then it would only have led to utter chaos and instability in the region.
Bucha was done by the Russian army. Not the Israeli one. So there are no similarities.
They know Mommy US will always give them her unconditional support.
Netanyahu has been caught 2 decades ago on tape boasting about how he knew how to manipulate the Americans and toy with them. Once you have them in your pocket, you know the valets in the EU, including valet Nr 1 (the UK) will follow suit. There's an utter arrogance and incredible sense of superiority in the Netanyahu government that leads them to think that they literally can get away with murder. Not without reason.
The only thing that went wrong this time is that the US learned from its disastrous Iraq and Afghanistan expeditions, and with what's happening in Ukraine plus the China threat, they know that they couldn't let their spoiled brat push it too far. It's okay to go on a rampage against the Gazans, no one supports them anyway, we'll even give you everything you need for that, but Hezbollah is a no-no.
Without the US continuously supplying them with weapons and ammunitions as well as a feckton of money, there's no way Israel would've been able to carry out this massacre for more than one week.
This particular claim against the IDF is a bit off.
Anyone can claim anything, where's the evidence?
It's pretty clear. They're both aggressive military actors plausibly engaging in war crimes. If the question is "why would they make it so obvious?", pointing to the other, similar group making it obvious and suggesting that it's conceivable that they would act the same way is not a huge stretch. It doesn't mean it's the case, but it is plausible. Your comparison isn't the same.
But sure, let's engage with the argument anyway. If Israel was in the position of the US during WW2, it's more than conceivable that they too would have used the bombs. It's a meaningless comparison, but there we are.
But it would buy Netanyahu more time. Not saying he would do it, but it's impossible not to suspect it.