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https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/poli....premium/0000018c-7932-d98c-abef-ffb7fcd70000
Hundreds of Gazans arrested in the war are detained in the south blindfolded and handcuffed most of the day
In the detention facility at the "Yemen field" base Several Palestinians have died since the beginning of the war. IDF: These are terrorists, the circumstances of their deaths are under investigation. The age range of the detainees held at the facility ranges from minors to the elderly and they are interrogated on the spot

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south is the south of israel, not gaza, meaning outside the northern border of gaza
 
Jazz said:
See I'm not so sure. The American government is moving real strange. It's full steam ahead for Biden no matter how awful things get and most of world being pro ceasefire.
I don't know if it's because he's surrounded by committed Zionists in his administration?
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Biden is an extremely committed Zionist.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/17/netanyahus-tactics-are-weakening-israel/

This is a very unusual, Ben Wallace who just left his job as sec of defence of the UK just wrote this article in the telegraph.

Netanyahu’s tactics are weakening Israel

" But I also believe strongly in our obligations under the Geneva Conventions and expect all signatories to uphold them. Going after Hamas is legitimate; obliterating vast swathes of Gaza is not. Using proportionate force is legal, but collective punishment and forced movement of civilians is not.
We are entering a dangerous period now where Israel’s original legal authority of self-defence is being undermined by its own actions. It is making the mistake of losing its moral authority alongside its legal one.
I am sure that the shame Benjamin Netanyahu feels for not foreseeing the October 7 attacks is deep, especially for someone who presented himself as a security hawk and tough guy. But perhaps that shame is driving him to lose sight of the long term.
Netanyahu’s mistake was to miss the attack in the first place. But if he thinks a killing rage will rectify matters, then he is very wrong. His methods will not solve this problem. In fact, I believe his tactics will fuel the conflict for another 50 years. His actions are radicalising Muslim youth across the globe.
When all this is over, and the IDF withdraws from what is left of Gaza, there will still be Hamas. All the action will have achieved is the extinction, not of the extremists, but the voice of the moderate Palestinians who do want a two-state solution.
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So sky's military analyst wants to attack Iran to keep the global trade moving. He never heard of cost of escalation with a major war with Iran on global trade. :lol:

Where do they find those donkeys?
 
Bert_ said:
The US has always backed Israel regardless of the rest of the world's opinion and Biden isn't doing anything different from his predecessors.

Starting an actual war with Iran, either directly or indirectly via Israel, would be far too costly and be of very little benefit to the US, so doubt that will happen.
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Most war benefits the war industry tremendously from contracts to purchases.

Since they pulled of of Afghanistan they'll gonna need a new project
 
After 9/11, Kasparov talked about making an example "from Tehran to Mecca" and even using nukes. He's worth listening to regarding Putin/Russia, but for Israel-Palestine and the middle-east in general...not so much. Last i read him talking about it in an interview (maybe five years ago roughly) he still thought the Iraq War was justified!.
 
space said:
So many Genocide apologists, disgusting
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But come on now, Israel and IDF are the good guys. It's not like they've been illegally imprisoning children and women for months without trial. Or mass murdering whole generations of people, killing children in streets. Specifically targeting journalists and doctors homes ensuring they kill their entire families. After all it's not Palenstines land, it's theirs and lets face it, IDF are doing a great job making sure the civilian population 'disappears'.

On top of all this, I thought it was common knowledge that Bill Maher is a cnut.
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
After 9/11, Kasparov talked about making an example "from Tehran to Mecca" and even using nukes. He's worth listening to regarding Putin/Russia, but for Israel-Palestine and the middle-east in general...not so much. Last i read him talking about it in an interview (maybe five years ago roughly) he still thought the Iraq War was justified!.
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Very likely the people repeating and sharing this shit have the same belief and it's not just a possibility here.
 
How thick(or just horrible) do you have to be to be on the Israeli side of this? It's very hard to comprehend.

Are these people going to acknowledge that they were wrong in a few months/years time? Probably not.
 
RedSky said:
But come on now, Israel and IDF are the good guys. It's not like they've been illegally imprisoning children and women for months without trial. Or mass murdering whole generations of people, killing children in streets. Specifically targeting journalists and doctors homes ensuring they kill their entire families. After all it's not Palenstines land, it's theirs and lets face it, IDF are doing a great job making sure the civilian population 'disappears'.

On top of all this, I thought it was common knowledge that Bill Maher is a cnut.
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Exactly, it's so fecking gross
 
Watched that Bill Maher clip.

Seems like his only point was that Israel is there to stay but he didn't go into further specifics. It did feel like there was an undertone of "be happy with Gaza/WB" so he may be in favor of a two state solution there.

Nevertheless, he didn't say anything new or groundbreaking.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Bill Maher nailed it. Word by word.

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Is the "you all die and disappear" attributed to Hamas or Israel? This being Bill Maher I can make a guess, but that line could describe both the Israeli states and Hamas' approach to this conflict.
 
VorZakone said:
Watched that Bill Maher clip.

Seems like his only point was that Israel is there to stay but he didn't go into further specifics. It did feel like there was an undertone of "be happy with Gaza/WB" so he may be in favor of a two state solution there.

Nevertheless, he didn't say anything new or groundbreaking.
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But isnt that the opposite of his belief as the beacon of liberalism (as he thinks of himself) where he opposes theocratic states?
 
Giggsyking said:
But isnt that the opposite of his belief as the beacon of liberalism (as he thinks of himself) where he opposes theocratic states?
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Yeah. But I assume his answer would be that Israel is an exception to the rule and that the Jewish people need a majority-Jewish state of their own.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Is the "you all die and disappear" attributed to Hamas or Israel? This being Bill Maher I can make a guess, but that line could describe both the Israeli states and Hamas' approach to this conflict.
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I guess you are right. It is no secret either.
 
In a few months there will probably be no churches in gaza. It's astonishing really how some still think this is not genocide.
 
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