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There are many adjectives that can accurately describe the violence, destruction and death currently being inflicted on Gaza. But, genocide is not one of them. Repeatedly calling it that diminishes the suffering of the Tutsi's, the European Jewish population of Nazi occupied Europe, the Armenians and others who have genuinely been victims of genocide.

No it doesn't.

It diminishes the idea that Israel are the innocent party, and it diminishes the idea that Israels allies are also a peace loving, fair and honest, bunch.
 
Repeatedly calling it that diminishes the suffering of the Tutsi's, the European Jewish population of Nazi occupied Europe, the Armenians and others who have genuinely been victims of genocide.

This is such a tone-deaf thing to post when Armenians are being threatened by Israeli settlers in Jerusalem.
 
Here is the definition of genocide.

Genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

This is the definition under the Genocide Convention:

Genocide Convention said:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;​
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;​
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;​
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;​
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "​

Only one of the above conditions needs to be satisfied. I don't think the situation quite reaches the threshold of any one of them at present, but for me the scale of its bombing campaign, forced evictions and dire limiting of life's essentials means Israel is getting increasingly close to fulfilling condition (c).
 


It's a few days old but the videos of hostages leaving Hamas is quite surreal.
 
Repeatedly calling it that diminishes the suffering of the Tutsi's, the European Jewish population of Nazi occupied Europe, the Armenians and others who have genuinely been victims of genocide.
It really doesn’t. There’s nothing to support this claim it’s just something you’ve made up.
 
John Bolton, the former Republican US national security adviser, has proposed to the UK’s foreign affairs select committee that the Gaza Strip be split into two territories, with Gaza north of the Wadi Gaza river administered by Israel and an area to the south run by Egypt.

Bolton added that he would abolish the UN relief works agency UNRWA, which he said had “developed an institutional culture of sustaining the refugee status of Palestinians”.

Bolton’s proposal would involve large numbers of Palestinians leaving Gaza permanently.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...s-killed-israel-ground-attack-gaza-strip-news
 
John Bolton, the former Republican US national security adviser, has proposed to the UK’s foreign affairs select committee that the Gaza Strip be split into two territories, with Gaza north of the Wadi Gaza river administered by Israel and an area to the south run by Egypt.

Bolton added that he would abolish the UN relief works agency UNRWA, which he said had “developed an institutional culture of sustaining the refugee status of Palestinians”.

Bolton’s proposal would involve large numbers of Palestinians leaving Gaza permanently.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...s-killed-israel-ground-attack-gaza-strip-news

This is not forcible population removal

:lol:

Please let's discuss some more though about the subtle legal intricacies of genocide or how we're disrespecting the memory of Tutsis while people in power actively talk about forcible population removal and ethnic cleansing and pretend that it's actually out of the goodness of their heart.

Can't wait until the Palestinians have genuinely been through a genocide though or (another round of) ethnic cleansing to finally cleanse them from the land so we can add them to the list with Armenians and Jews as an example In abstract Internet discussions in 50 years time, to provide a veneer of respectability to whatever people are undergoing it then.
 
Can't wait until the Palestinians have genuinely been through a genocide though or (another round of) ethnic cleansing to finally cleanse them from the land so we can add them to the list with Armenians and Jews as an example In abstract Internet discussions in 50 years time, to provide a veneer of respectability to whatever people are undergoing it then.
You're getting ahead of yourself thinking that it will be considered a genocide in 50 years :lol:
 
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Please let's discuss some more though about the subtle legal intricacies of genocide or how we're disrespecting the memory of Tutsis while people in power actively talk about forcible population removal and ethnic cleansing and pretend that it's actually out of the goodness of their heart.

Can't wait until the Palestinians have genuinely been through a genocide though or (another round of) ethnic cleansing to finally cleanse them from the land so we can add them to the list with Armenians and Jews as an example In abstract Internet discussions in 50 years time, to provide a veneer of respectability to whatever people are undergoing it then.

Washington has ruled out such a proposal but as Gaza becomes slowly uninhabitable due to Israeli bombardment, the US could reluctantly change its policy to seek homes for Palestinians away from Gaza.

Oh poor things...they are reluctant! The highest moral value, reluctance to participate in genocide and then do it anyway!
 
Oh poor things...they are reluctant! The highest moral value, reluctance to participate in genocide and then do it anyway!

"One of the most common tropes in US media is that the US military always goes to war reluctantly—and, if there are negative consequences, like civilian deaths, it’s simply a matter of bumbling around without much plan or purpose." FAIR.
 
This is the definition under the Genocide Convention:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "

Only one of the above conditions needs to be satisfied. I don't think the situation quite reaches the threshold of any one of them at present, but for me the scale of its bombing campaign, forced evictions and dire limiting of life's essentials means Israel is getting increasingly close to fulfilling condition (c).

Even by this definition, it would only be genocide if one of the above conditions as well as the opening clause that it is done with the intent to destroy the target group were met. The Israeli's likely have the ability to commit genocide if they chose to but they haven't.

There are lots of nasty words people can use to describe what the Israeli's are doing. Genocide is not one of them.
 
Even by this definition, it would only be genocide if one of the above conditions as well as the opening clause that it is done with the intent to destroy the target group were met. The Israeli's likely have the ability to commit genocide if they chose to but they haven't.

There are lots of nasty words people can use to describe what the Israeli's are doing. Genocide is not one of them.
So what is their intent when they drop tons of bombs over heavily populated areas? It seems pretty obvious it's to kill palestinians.
 
The above quotes are from 3 people in this thread on this one page calling what the Israeli's are doing genocide.

Here is the definition of genocide.

Genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

The situation in Gaza is horrible. But it is NOT a genocide. Since, 1967 when the Israeli's first gained control of Gaza the population of the territory has more than doubled. Population numbers do not increase during a genocide.

There are many adjectives that can accurately describe the violence, destruction and death currently being inflicted on Gaza. But, genocide is not one of them. Repeatedly calling it that diminishes the suffering of the Tutsi's, the European Jewish population of Nazi occupied Europe, the Armenians and others who have genuinely been victims of genocide.


So I guess we will have to wait till is considered a genocide. When is all done and wrapped up....Oh well! now is genocide! but is too late. Move on
 
5 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank today, death toll is up to 467 since the beginning of the year.
 
It's not their ancestral homeland any more than the any of the other people that have lived there. You could make the same case for the ancient Canaanites, the Romans, the Macedonians, the Persians, Turkish, Egyptians etc. You get the point.

You are saying that jewish people aren’t indigenous to the historic entity called Israel, or that they are but it doesn’t count? Of course if they were it would certainly explain their fondness for seeking safety in that specific part of the world. But hey, “colonialism”. Just like “genocide” - funny how words get weighted with new meaning when Jews are involved.

I wouldn't expect you to understand this given you were struggling to understand the read across from the Israeli and Gazan death statistics a few pages ago.
Not sure what that is about, I was too busy wading through all the criticism of that propaganda you stupidly posted, to notice.
 
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Killing is certainly an appropriate adjective to use. Genocide is not.

What I put in bold is clearly happening, no?

This is the definition under the Genocide Convention:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "
 
You are saying that jewish people aren’t indigenous to the historic entity called Israel, or that they are but it doesn’t count? Of course if they were it would certainly explain their fondness for seeking safety in that specific part of the world. But hey, “colonialism”. Just like “genocide” - funny how words get weighted with new meaning when Jews are involved.


Not sure what that is about, I was too busy wading through all the criticism of that propaganda you stupidly posted, to notice.

How is colonialism and genocide weighted with new meaning when Jews are involved?
 


They are leveling the city. Only donkeys or ethnic cleansing apologists do not understand what is the objective of leveling the city.
 


They are leveling the city. Only donkeys or ethnic cleansing apologists do not understand what is the objective of leveling the city.

They’re not even claiming them as ‘Hamas control centres’ anymore either.
 
The above quotes are from 3 people in this thread on this one page calling what the Israeli's are doing genocide.

Here is the definition of genocide.

Genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

The situation in Gaza is horrible. But it is NOT a genocide. Since, 1967 when the Israeli's first gained control of Gaza the population of the territory has more than doubled. Population numbers do not increase during a genocide.

There are many adjectives that can accurately describe the violence, destruction and death currently being inflicted on Gaza. But, genocide is not one of them. Repeatedly calling it that diminishes the suffering of the Tutsi's, the European Jewish population of Nazi occupied Europe, the Armenians and others who have genuinely been victims of genocide.

So let me get this right, you are saying that the current massacres being carried out on the Palestinian people by Israel in Gaza over the last 2 months that have resulted in 15k+ civilians being killed isn't a Genocide. Because the population there doubled between 1967 to early 2023?
 
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So let me get this right, you are saying that the current massacres being carried out on the Palestinian people by Israel in Gaza over the last 2 months that have resulted in 15k+ civilians being killed isn't a Genocide. Because the population there doubled since 1967 to early 2023?
Nah that will be blaming a people for having a very healthy reproductive culture.

That’s why the hospitals have to go.
 
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:


What I put in bold is clearly happening, no?

No, the part underlined is not happening. As with all wars, there is terrible suffering among the civilians caught in the fighting and thousands of people have been killed or are being killed. But, Israel is clearly not trying to destroy the people of Gaza.
 
No, the part underlined is not happening. As with all wars, there is terrible suffering among the civilians caught in the fighting and thousands of people have been killed or are being killed. But, Israel is clearly not trying to destroy the people of Gaza.

they clearly are and you are blind