Please define your idea of what corroborated means? Because I don't think it means what you think it means.
I'll define gullible for you. "Gullible: easily deceived or duped."
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Please define your idea of what corroborated means? Because I don't think it means what you think it means.
I'll define gullible for you. "Gullible: easily deceived or duped."
You mean children in Israeli prison for throwing rocks?
The irony is off the charts in this post.
You ever been hit in the head by a rock?
Religion sure does suck.
Yep, no point in discussing all the horrible things biden does because trump is worse. Maga has really done a number on a lot of supposed leftists and liberals.
You may be onto something here.
All religions suck... And blind support for an extremely brutal apartheid regime resembles a religious cult, which sucks as well...
I love the philosophy of Buddha, but I have no time for the religion of Buddhism.
Religion is like the Hollywood movie version they make when you have a really good philosophy, then everyone decides the important thing is to dress like the star did in the movie.
But he needs it like dopamine seemingly
Are you wumming?
Children throwing rocks at the occupier military personal is not a fecking crime that deserves to sentence a child for 3 years in prison. Give your head a wobble.
I was happy to debate you and see what, in your opinion, isn’t corroborated.
But you follow it up with an incredulously ridiculous post such as this that I’d rather save myself the time.
Thank you so much for posting unverified propaganda yet again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israa_Jaabis
Keep up the good work.
You think this little kid throwing a stone is a danger to soldiers in an armoured vehicle?
Ah yes, Wikipedia, which is world renowned for its academic rigour...
Who to believe, the numerous civil society and international NGOs who took Israa at her word, or her captors who have a penchant for locking up children and women, often without charge, and throwing away the key?
It's certainly better than random Twitter accounts that ooze with bias.
It’s an open source website that anyone with an internet connection can edit. It also says in the first line ‘according to Israeli authorities’. You can use your internet connection to read up on the case.
Try harder doob.
One of the items that Israa’ carried with her was a propane tank for the kitchen. It would have been too expensive to buy a brand new one in Jerusalem. As she was leaving Jericho, the engine of her car died twice. Young people in the town warned her to turn around and find another form of transportation, but she did not heed their advice. She needed to get to Jerusalem to her new job at a nursing home. Each time her car died, the engine emitted a burning smell.
After travelling a couple of kilometers outside the Israeli Al-Za’ayem military checkpoint, near the illegal Jewish settlement of Ma’ale Adumim and a short distance east of Al-Quds, Israa’s car died again. No soldiers or army vehicles were in sight. A while later, a retired Israeli police officer passed by her stalled car. He parked his car in front of hers and asked for her ID as she desperately tried to restart the car. “There is a strong smell in the car,” she told him, trying to exit the car, but he insisted that she stay inside while he examined her papers.
She tried to open the windows, but they, too, were affected by the electrical failure. Again, she tried to exit the car, opening the door, but the officer rushed over and slammed it shut, crushing her hand. She yelled “Allahu Akbar ’alaiku” (God is greater than you are), chastising him several times for not allowing her to escape. She urged him to let her out as fire ignited in the front part of the car. He refused. He stood there, watching her burn inside. The airbag deployed, completely trapping her inside the blazing car.
The police officer who stopped her claimed that she was trying to use the propane tank to blow up the car. His testimony was the only one considered in the Israeli court, and Israa’ was branded a ‘terrorist’. She was sentenced to 11 years in prison. She is now serving her term at HaSharon prison inside Israel, and is denied much needed medical attention. After her debilitating injuries and imprisonment, her husband also suffered a car accident, leaving him permanently disabled and confined to a wheelchair. Their son, Mu’tasim, is now living with his grandmother in Jerusalem.
He probably also meant a well know children game - chase and stab your fellow children friend with a kitchen knife.
The tweet you posted claims Israeli soldiers caused the fire by shooting at the car. This seems to claim the fire was caused by engine problems?
I see how you sidestepped the civil society and international NGOs question...
But at least I know that you don't want to discuss this in good faith, so there's very little point in continuing this conversation.
Agreed. It went to Qatari real estate and terrorism fundaraiser. You are right again, it was never intended to either of those.
What is even remotely in the ballpark of good faith about blasting the thread with propaganda from random twitter accounts? If there are reports from NGOs, then why not post them instead? Standards of this place are so low it's an insult to anyone with critical thinking.
You're defending indefinite child detention under military law too, I see.
So we agree then that the Nat Turner analogy is fair. I’m glad we eventually cleared that up.
I kindly ask you to read it again. And then reply again. Thank you.
No, we don't. We might agree to disagree.
She was shot after by the Israeli after the car exploded and she was trying to escape - tweeter has the timeline the wrong way round. In his testimony they also claimed she had a knife but no knife was ever found.
If you don't see anything wrong with draconian laws detaining children and prosecuting them in military courts then there isn't much point debating these people. And no these laws don't apply to Israeli's.
What’s the source claiming she was shot after? Al Jazeera interviewed her sister who doesn’t mention her being shot, and the Jerusalem Post carried an interview with the police officer who intervened which claims he told bystanders not to shoot her.
I got my cases mixed up - it’s Shorouq that was shot: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...of-female-palestinian-prisoners-await-release
Not Israa.
Many people are children of holocaust survivors. Yair Lapid is child of holocaust survivors. Do you think he agrees with Filkenstein? Being scholar does not give him immunity from questioning his ideas and opinions. There are for sure other scholars who vehemently disagree with him. I agree that at least he gives proper reasoning to his point of view (unlike some clowns here). I might find it disgusting, distasteful and so on, but at least there is absolute clarity. And he is absolutely consistent, which is admirable.
I will be honest with you. I had absolutely no idea of Douglas Murray existence before all of this (not being from UK). After brief research I would probably disagree with him on majority of issues. But we are adult enough to separate the message from messenger. So I repeat, for me his reaction to Filkenstein interview was absolutely spot on. I guess it says more about the original interview than the rebuttal.
No, I think I got it right. The discussion was about children being detained indefinitely under military law for throwing rocks, and you responded to a post defending it with a vague example of something you presumably think warrants the same treatment.
The initial tweet you posted is clearly about Israa Jaabis, and seems to include a fairly significant misrepresentation of what happened to her.
This thread is plumbing new depths if Douglas Murray is getting praised.
The argument about the unverified shit sources is 100% right. It is a travesty that a surprisingly good discussion on the topic regularly gets derailed, by some people who post the worst and most biased sources there are. And it baffles me that some genuinely seem to believe, that this is an adequate response towards the involved parties engaging in propaganda. Because if anything, that should be reason for even more caution.
Why was his reaction spot on? He started with stating angrily that we know exactly what happened on 7th October. Do we, really? We’ve had multiple cases of misinformation since, about beheaded babies etc. It was 1,400 civilian and military casualties, and then revised down to 1,200. For the most part, what we have had is an Israeli packaged version of the events. Now, I want to make it clear that I am sure Hamas committed horrific crimes, but the idea we know exactly what happened based on Israel’s comments and provided evidence is untrue.
He then went on a tirade about how remains of bodies in some cases were minimal due to being damaged by fire. Again, something that doesn’t have any relevance to Norman’s points whatsoever. There’s still doubt following Israeli eye witness testimony, as to whether, some of the houses in the Kibbutzum were not destroyed by Israeli shelling. Again, another case of not knowing exactly what happened.
Lastly he cynically accused him of weaponising his parents’ experience of being Holocaust survivors. It was Piers who brought them up repeatedly, not Norman. In fact, when he is interviewed, it’s almost always the interviewer who brings up his parents, not him.
All Murray did was talk absolute waffle in a posh accent and throw in a few insults for good measure.
The initial tweet is about Israa and I’m not saying she was shot*. The car did explode, and she was denied the right medical aid and convicted on flimsy grounds. Do you think that is misrepresented?
If you look at the specific parts of the tweet thread I posted it was centred on that.
* that was the part where I got 2 cases mixed.
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