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Well in the words of Jack Aubrey aka Russell Crowe, in the service you always choose the lesser of two weevils
Where's those two lunatic posters, what's their thoughts on this lunacy?
Assuming one of them is who I think you're referring to. I think they're thread banned.
Israel’s cnut behaviour continues.
The question is how people vote for them and where we're going with them.
If you honestly believe that I'd strongly suggest you do some reading on the alternatives.
I do not understand the Biden hate on here. Get upset as you'd like about the Gazan situation. It's terrible, that's fine. But here's a long list of world leaders, including the Arab world, that have successfully reigned in Netanyahu's actions:
Israel is a powerful, self-determining country. US aid makes up less than 1% of its GDP. It is not a puppet as it once was. If it was a greater regional conflict and the US interests became threatened, then yes, the US would exercise its military power appropriately. Until then, this is a localised incident between two non-US countries, I doubt very much the same posters basically saying the US=IDF have a similar opinion on massacres in Yemen, or Syria or the Uighur genocide in China.
This escalation (going from c. 75 dead a year to 15k+) is a catastrophe incited by Hamas, carried out by Netanyahu. If you indict Biden for the Gazan situation, you must literally indict every other major world leader too. And when you make that kind of judgement, maybe you should look at the judge.
He was also a cheerleader for the Iraq invasion, he is just another war monger.
This is an absolutely mind-boggling take on the US-Israel relationship.
Diplomatically, there are countless times when the US veto, and the US veto alone, has saved Israel at the UN SC (as opposed from the General Assembly, where it routinely loses meaningless votes because there is no veto).
Financially and militarily, while US aid is a small dollar amount in some ways...it's not in many other ways. Financially, the amount of ammunition and materiel that Israel has burnt through in a month, with an insanely high rate of fire of complex weapons, is sustainable because of the bipartisan eternal iron guarantee of US resupply. The additional aid for this year (beyond the routine) is $14 billion. In context, Israel's annual military budget is $24 bn, and the cost of the war is estimated at $48bn. I think "funding a third of the war directly" is a much clearer way of portraying the impact of US aid than expressing it as percentage of total Israeli GDP(?). And militarily, Israel can sustain multi-front battles because of the military deterrence of the US rushing in its navy.
Politically, it is not like previous US presidents are unaware of the power of their office, no matter the type of Israeli PM in office.
Here is noted softy Ronald Reagan stopping a bombing with a phone call:
Here is another lefty snowflake HW playing and winning a game of brinkmanship with AIPAC by tying aid to settlement commitments:
https://www.ettingermentum.news/p/the-president-who-stood-up-to-israel
You might argue that Biden has less leverage (I'm not sure how), but, it's important to note here, his position in the 80s was to the right of Reagan AND TO THE RIGHT OF MENACHIM BEGIN HIMSELF, on the topic of killing Palestinian refugees:
I'm going to repeat that. Biden's personal stance on civilians killed by the Israeli military is more bloodthirsty than one of Israel's most famous right-wing PMs.
Hence, Occam's razor is that he is fine with what has happened in Gaza. Reflected in his admin's stance - from "no red lines" to "they should shoot straight" to "their numbers are fake" to"concerned that the ceasefire will expose the conditions in Gaza."
Old clip but illuminating
Now thats funny.
He is no different than Netanyahu. Orchestrated with Bush the Iraq invasion that destabilized the region for decades. I for one will never forgive him.
Yesterday BBC wrote, young males on 14 years old Palestinian kids
, who have been in prison in Israel arrested with no conviction and for many years.It's about the Democrats hubris and Biden's bloodthirstiness getting it's comeuppance.
Here's hoping.
Taking selfies with human suffering.
The terror apologists here are something to behold. Imagine trying to justify 75 years of oppression and cold blooded killing.
There are plenty of quotes from current and former Israeli officials which indicate that pressure from the U.S. would prevent them from carrying out their actions.
Hey what does he know.
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Belgium and Spain PM at the Rafah border.
Great post, Biden is just a morally repugnant character and has been a proud zionist for a long time. His actions fit with everything he has done and said over his career.
Why is there no vomiting emoji in the caf? We really need one.
I bet court Martial does not work and always injured.
Is there any other country in the world who is allowed so much influence on the American democratic system?
Completely different situations on so many levels. Just for example. Did Nat Turner receive billions of dollars in foreign aid? Even bigger than Marshall Plan (per capita).
I reckon the gun whackos have even more of an influence. American children and nothing is done.
Anyway back on topic, the ceasefire and exchanges seem to be holding. Positive news at least.
Although Piers gave him detailed timeline afterwards I see the benefit of doubt here. But to question the nature of atrocities? When there is a video footage, probably for good reason not made public yet. But everybody who saw it (politicians, journalists) couldn't find words how to describe the level of pure evilness. And his distasteful use of contration camps comparisons. I am lost for words there.
I wish somebody else would said it, but Douglas Murray provided absolutely spot on rebuttal, word by word.
That’s a pretty poor argument (re Biden). So people shouldn’t hate on Biden because other leaders aren’t any better? That sounds like something my kids would say when they’re caught doing something wrong “Dad, they did it too?”
Also underestimates the influence the US President could have if he wanted to. Yes, I’m sure Israel would carry on killing people and ignoring international law but for how long? Without Americas clear support, the world’s politicians would view things differently… that’s the clout the US has on many countries and their leaders (unfortunately).
While it might be 1% of GDP now, it hasn’t always been that small. It’s given $158BN (non inflation adjusted) over the decades… and if it’s ‘only’ 1% and Israel is so strong, so well off, stop giving it them then?
The US has and always will be a strong supporter of Israel and by definition, its actions. The rest of the world (including those morons Sunak and Starmer) may well be supportive too but nowhere near in the same way. Not even close.
(And to suggest (1) it’s just been an “escalation“ this year (2) it’s Hamas’ fault? (back to my kids again… “he started it Dad!”) and (3) to casually drop in “15k” like it’s pennies not peoples lives. Really?)
A pretty good discussion about "genocide" here, is worth watching a scholarly view whether you agree or not:
Then Gary Lineker got in trouble for sharing the video, details here:
Then Gary Lineker got in trouble for sharing the video, details here:
Good post.
Needs to be verified
Douglas Murray
You should be banned just for quoting him.
Just to add some context to Norman concertation camp remarks, many western politicians who dare to stand against the brutal cancelation of Israel call Gaza a concentration camp or an open air prison.
In fact David Cameron who is good friend of Israel, said once Israel turned Gaza into a Prison Camp.
But Yes, lets quote Murray.
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How is that spot on rebuttal? Douglas Murray could do a word by word rebuttal with Norman, but he’s turned down debating him. He knows his intellect and intellectual capability will get found out by being on the same debate as Norman.
Some interesting data.