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I can’t believe that Netanyahu advisor managed to keep a straight face while putting up that performance. It’s obvious he had one job to do here, to deny any wrongdoing on Israel’s part, and if unable to refute clear evidence of propaganda lies, claim it’s just a honest mistake by a good man whilst muddying the waters of what can and can’t believed about the atrocities Israel is committing in Gaza.
It felt like an utterly pointless interview but at the same time it’s important to expose the fact that they will obfuscate and outright lie about anything and everything that make Israel look bad.
All ad hominem from him and as soon as the other guy did it back, he threw a hissy fit.
You can't debate with Schmauley, he ignores the topic and just attempts to character assassinate and smear with false facts and anecdotal facts that can't be proven.
He on this show said the Palestinians in the West Bank want to have settlers there
Horrible interview. Both screaming, no conversationAll ad hominem from him and as soon as the other guy did it back, he threw a hissy fit.
You can't debate with Schmauley, he ignores the topic and just attempts to character assassinate and smear with false facts and anecdotal facts that can't be proven.
He on this show said the Palestinians in the West Bank want to have settlers there
Yeah they needed to do it on zoom and use the mute function.
All ad hominem from him and as soon as the other guy did it back, he threw a hissy fit.
You can't debate with Schmauley, he ignores the topic and just attempts to character assassinate and smear with false facts and anecdotal facts that can't be proven.
He on this show said the Palestinians in the West Bank want to have settlers there
Yeah he's got a very problematic relationship with reality. And shouting over people and attacking them seems to be his modus operandi, the guy is an absolute wankstain. I've no idea why anyone invites him on their show if they expect any sort of useful debate.
I for one am shocked that there is no Hamas command centre under the hospital
In reality, two quite contemptible religious zealots shouting, hosted by a gammon faced loser.
Haven't you heard? President Biden is absolutely, positively, undoubtedly sure there is one. He's seen the evidence. Can he disclose the source of this intel? Absolutely not.I for one am shocked that there is no Hamas command centre under the hospital
Well in fairness I know someone with UK security clearance who said he knew it was there too. The intelligence services could be mistaken/lying, it's not necessarily all the politicians' fault.
you really couldn't make it up
The issue is when they choose to be selective over what they constitute to be objective evidence and what to remain skeptical about. Case in point, Biden was all too happy to express doubts at the death toll figures coming from the Palestinians (despite it later shown to be smaller than the IDF's own predictions) while all too happy to recirculate alleged 'evidence' of hospitals being used as command bases without disclosing the source of this information. All it does it reinforce (or rather rubbish) the notion that the US, UK and others are impartial mediators in this conflict.
I don't think anybody outside of those countries has ever been under any illusions about that though unfortunately.
No peace even in death. Barbarians.
So will they tell the Palestinians who are in the south/moved to the south to move into Egypt now?
The real HQ will suddenly appear in the Sinai...
I've purposely decided to stay away from this thread since it seems like there is no winning argument anymore.
Having said that: as someone with no skin in the game either way I sometimes feel like it would be easiest to drop a bomb on that whole part of the world. I don't mean that quite as literally of course, but considering the sentiment being so strong all over without much interest in ever seemingly wanting to discuss the other sides' perspective - I don't see this ending in my lifetime or even the ones of my kids. How could you possibly reset this when you have Palestinian and Israeli youth see today's horrors being committed by either side. How could it not ensure that hatred will continue to live on?
Having said that: as someone with no skin in the game either way I sometimes feel like it would be easiest to drop a bomb on that whole part of the world. I don't mean that quite as literally of course, but considering the sentiment being so strong all over without much interest in ever seemingly wanting to discuss the other sides' perspective - I don't see this ending in my lifetime or even the ones of my kids. How could you possibly reset this when you have Palestinian and Israeli youth see today's horrors being committed by either side. How could it not ensure that hatred will continue to live on?
They're probably still squabbling over how many hostages are released, how long the ceasefire would be for, and how many Palestinian prisoners are freed.
It's one of the reasons Hamas have repeatedly asked for the dead Palestinians they have in exchange for hostages.
Modern day Nazis
Do we know what these Palestinians are in prison for? It’s interesting that they’re being called prisoners in this scenario.
That is demonic, genuinely one of the most evil things I've ever heard.
They are detainees in Israeli prisons. Whether the detention is administrative or otherwise is a different matter. They are almost certainly safer there than running around Gaza at the moment.
The broader issue is whether Hamas even have control over all 240ish Israeli hostages to be able to negotiate the return of Palestinians, and whether a swap would even make sense for both sides given that the Israelis will not end their ground war until Hamas are complete gone. What this would mean for any repatriated Palestinians affiliated with Hamas or PIJ, is they would almost certainly be killed after being sent back to Gaza.
Can you believe it, that rock chipped the paint on my Abraham's tank.
I understand your sentiment, almost like a hard reset. Obviously not literally, that would be obscene but the myopic worldview lacks the imagination to see a way through.
It's bleak but this 2009 news barely registered in the West. Just casually swept under the rug and ignored.
Shrug of the shoulders.
It was noted that Israel denied the reports and said it was antisemitism
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Really disappointning that they can go all the way. Sweden on other countires does, but we cant.
Excelent discussion between Sam Harris and Yuval Noah Harrari. Yuval made some excellent points.
It's an extremely weak declaration. It basically means nothing at all. Some parties were pushing a clear recognition, but the big parties wouldn't go for it.
The Palestinians in the West Bank are subjected to military law, judged by military courts and can be detained without time limit or formal charge.
There are currently about 1,200 Palestinians in Israeli prisons without charge, among them 33 women and 160 children, some as young as 12 years old.
People just have no idea how wicked the occupation is.
Can someone point me in the direction of a video or a few videos with respectable Israeli viewpoints please?
I'm seeing a lot of good points made for pro Palestine but maybe it's because I'm inclined that way myself... But I want to know the other side of the story.
Even in that silly debate yesterday on Piers Morgan, the Muslim guy had a bunch of points that made sense whereas the stuff the Rabi was saying made zero sense. I fact checked afterwards and a lot of stuff he was saying were straight up lies.
I'm not looking for governmental bullshit or idiots like Rabi Schmauley. Hoping to find someone who can argue for things such as the settlements in West Bank or Israel not being an Apartheid state, ideally using facts and sources that can be checked.
Genuinely curious as to what the other side are seeing.
I'm seeing a lot of good points made for pro Palestine but maybe it's because I'm inclined that way myself... But I want to know the other side of the story.
Even in that silly debate yesterday on Piers Morgan, the Muslim guy had a bunch of points that made sense whereas the stuff the Rabi was saying made zero sense. I fact checked afterwards and a lot of stuff he was saying were straight up lies.
I'm not looking for governmental bullshit or idiots like Rabi Schmauley. Hoping to find someone who can argue for things such as the settlements in West Bank or Israel not being an Apartheid state, ideally using facts and sources that can be checked.
Genuinely curious as to what the other side are seeing.