Same Citizens harrasing and killing Palestinians in the westbank? One would think the Palestinans should be the ones afraid of existential threat
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I never claimed there is no existential threat towards Palestinians. So I really don’t understand the point you are trying to make.
He's one of the worst posters I've ever had the displeasure to read and I just can't access to his profile to put him on ignore and spare myself his drivel. Any way to solve this?
Sorry mate, I shouldn't have written that and even less make it a blanket statement.
Let's just agree to disagree and call it a day.
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Thanks a lot.
I can live with that. I would just like to point out that the views I shared in regards to Palestinian refugees are not at all exclusive to this war. It is a view I hold about all conflicts in general. I absolutely believe that it is every single countries obligation to do whatever it can, to alleviate the suffering of people who fell victim to conflicts of any kind. And neighboring countries even more so, as they are closest and therefore in a position to offer the best help. These countries, however, need support by the rest of the world and can't be left alone with this enormous task. It is not exclusive to what is happening right now. And I don't judge the countries, who in my eyes are failing to help Palestinian refugees, any more harshly than I judge others, who make the same mistakes in other situations. To me there simply is no valid reason not to take in refugees. Even if the people at fault for the need to flee are happy to see them gone.
I understand your point of view, and again I jumped in recklessly just to rant and took it out on you.
My emotions got the better of me and it's all on me.
That is pretty grim. Both sides (Israel and Hamas) are making it up as they go and the entire conflict is now in uncharted territory. The lack of a publicized Israeli strategy (other than to simply want to "get rid" of Hamas) is probably going to drag the trust in government numbers down even further over time. Even more so if the hostages don't come out of this alive.
No hard feelings. It is an highly emotional topic, after all.
I understand your point as well @HTG. And millons of Palestinians based in neighbouring countries proves it.
What is the problem with this? Hamas in Gaza attacked them, they want the population to leave so they can get to Hamas and reduce civilian casualties.
Hamas didn't give the Israelis any warning before they raped and butchered them in cold blood.
I dont know if it is true ir not what that tweet said, so i am basing this reply on "what is the problem? (If it were true)?": Are you fecking serious asking what is the proble. To deport 2.4 millions from a country that is not yours to a country thatvisbnot yours? Do you even think what you are posting? Do you know even the meaning of any of it? For any of this 2.4 millions? Do you think they will give them a condo, with a job, food, school, health care...WTF dude...everyone of your posts are ridiculous half cooked thoughts diattached of reality
You don’t see anything wrong with forcibly removing 2.4m of the native population out of their home and land? After already killing 7k of that population with 5k being women and kids? Are you for real?
So you call Gaza an "open air prison" and when Israel suggests leaving the "prison" to be safe from Hamas and Israeli bombs. They are the bad guys?
So what's better?
tell them to stay in Gaza while they bomb Hamas targets.
or
leave Gaza to be safe while they bomb Hamas targets
Leaving an open air prison to go to an open air prison with tents with a fraction of the already miserable life they have
What about stop bombing 3000 kids and women? Is not that stupod dichotomy
15 and 16 are devastating to read.
Short of no bombing at all, the ideal situation would've been to create a UN run facility just outside Gaza in the Egyptian Sinai where civilians could remain until hostilities are over. This would allow them to stay out of harms way and still be able to go back in immediately after the fighting stops without the need to repatriate them from other countries. Obviously Sisi, Hamas, and the Israelis would need to agree to something like this.
Exactly
if they were out of Gaza they wouldn't get caught up in the violence. That's the point of evacuating them.
The same way the British evacuated their children from major cities in WW2
Tell me of a single Palestinian refugee that was allowed to return to their home after leaving for their safety.
Here's a crazy idea. How about they just don't bomb a civilian population centre at all?
That would be easily mitigated through an agreement among all parties before proceeding. The fact that they would be just outside Gaza would make it all the more easy to adhere to.
Hinkle's reach is extraordinary.
I've heard that Hamas leaders are annoyed at Hezbollah's lack of interest in fully jumping in (probably because they don't want to deal with the retaliation).
Yeah right, you think this Israeli government will ever allow them back in gaza? Surely you know that
The guy claims to be a proud communist and asks his users to pay $3 for his for profit Twitter premium content. God bless America. The grift is real.
As stated in my post above, it would need to be agreed to by all parties including the Israelis.
Like Oslo agreements? Camp David? I could go on and on. The State of Israel have shown they dont care about agreements and nobody will bring them to order.
Since the Oslo agreement, settlements have trippled
Just lies, and knowing and calculated lies designed to stir up hate - and people are lapping it up.
Like Oslo agreements? Camp David? I could go on and on. The State of Israel have shown they dont care about agreements and nobody will bring them to order.
Since the Oslo agreement, settlements have trippled
Well it sounds like you're ok with keeping them in Gaza then.
Will be interesting to see how Israeli-Russian relations develop over time. As of now, Israel not pleased. But realpolitik may kick in again eventually.
Putin will obviously look for ways to insert himself into this without being able to actually do anything about it given his ongoing humiliation in Ukraine.
Why though, what's his angle? Please Iran?
Same as it was in Syria. An alternative to the "western" (ie. US) world view where Russia is seen as the great power savior.
It's quite obvious that the fact that Germany criminalizing the denial of Israel's right to exist and the adoption of the IHRA's definition of antisemitism creates distinct boundaries. If the IHRA is indeed (too) biased, despite being an international collaboration then that definitely deserves discussion. But I've skimmed through your links and most of them only tell half of the story.
E.g. Axel Springer:
It's a private (scum) company, so they are free to set their own political agenda. Much like I wouldn't expect a lot of pro Israeli content on some of the pages you linked. Reading some of the posts in this thread I'm also not inclined to automatically believe someone, who said he was fired despite doing nothing wrong: people, whose believes cross lines, rarely see themselves in the wrong.
Now the DW story didn't start with that Palestinian journalist winning her suit in a German court. It started when one of the bigger papers reported that DW's Beirut correspondent tweeted "Anyone involved with the Israelis is a collaborator and any recruit in the ranks of their army is a traitor and must be executed", about other Arabs. They also alleged that he spoked quite fondly of Hisbollah and Hassan Nasrallah in some of his previous tweets and reports.
They also found some employees denying the Holocaust. After which they asked whether €400m of tax money were well spent on these people.
So that's why they updated their code of conduct and that's why they had that external antisemitism audit. Though of course it seems fair to criticize their picks for the job, after all the court proved that they overstepped in some cases.
Scholz's remarks aren't really aimed at Palestinians per se. Immigration is the hot topic of the moment. The AfD are getting around 20%, there was a poll even before the attacks that had about 80% express their dissatisfaction with the country's immigration policy and in particular with the efforts to deport people, who were denied asylum status.
Samidoun were already under watch for extremism and made national headlines for celebrating on the streets on 07.10. distributing sweets. Forgive me for not feeling sorry for its supporters.
I'm sure there are also plenty of cases where people get unjustly accused and harassed by authorities. But maybe it would help if people didn't deliberately pick the most biased sources to shape their world view. Like a couple of days ago someone showed like half a dozen tweets of one of the electronicintifada guys directly supporting Hamas. But sure, these are the guys, who will tell you exactly what's going on in Germany and elsewhere.
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