disgusting post.
So we should start calling the evacuation of civilians from the battlefield a crime against humanity? What effects do you think this will have in any future conflict?Did they let the 5m Palestinians return to their land. Who are you kidding? its like people forget that internet exist and you can search every fecking information.
@gfactor86 - there’s no Hamas in the West Bank, yet Palestinians keep getting killed there. Why’s that?
In 2006. When over 70% of the current population was too young to vote or not even born.They did vote for Hamas.
Answer the question20% of the Israeli population are Arab. They have the same rights as everyone else. They can work, choose to be with men or women, they are even represented in the Knesset.
how many Jews live in Gaza?
how so?
They did vote for Hamas.
hamas wants Israel eradicated that's a FACT. It's in their charter.
Arab neighbours couldn't care less. Egypt shares a border with Gaza. They could take in refugees anytime but don't, because they don't want them and they are happy for it to be "Israel's problem"
thousands of Palestinians languishing in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon. Never been given full rights there or chance at making a life for themselves in those countries.
I agree with you about everything in your comment, particularly your last sentence. That's why I firmly believe that we're assisting to a defining moment in human history, where something truly needs to be done.Its obviously a tragic situation in that the invasion is almost certainly going to happen very soon, where the Israelis are clearly looking at invading the two northern most sections of Gaza (North Gaza and Gaza City) and fighting the initial phase of the war with Hamas there, then once secured, moving into the other areas. Therefore the people in the northern areas would have to move south or else risk dying. Its going to be a humanitarian disaster either way since there aren't enough resources to provide shelter/food/water/medicine/basic services to those that move. There are also people in the northern sections who for medical reasons, don't have the resources to move. The bottom line, we are going see unprecedented levels of death, destruction, and displacement in the coming weeks and months unless the international community can find a way to temporarily move the civilians from Gaza to a safe space outside the strip until the fighting stops. There are however no easy solutions that are also realistic given that neither the Israelis nor Hamas are going to back down.
Quite rightThe world simply can't afford to let the pyromaniacs on both sides keep on playing their suicidal game. There's no winner here.
I agree with you about everything in your comment, particularly your last sentence. That's why I firmly believe that we're assisting to a defining moment in human history, where something truly needs to be done.
Why weren't there elections anymore after 2006?
Why weren't there elections anymore after 2006?
spoken by someone truly ignorant of the situation. appaling post.the issue is that they voted in Hamas. They hate Israel and don't want peace. They only want Israel eradicated and the Jews to leave "their" land.
their Arab neighbours don't really care about them either.
the IDF will likely turn Gaza to rubble. There won't be any winner
If you are Palestinian surely you would not trust Israel in giving you back your land. This whole thing smells like Nakba 2.0 especially when you listen to the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu's cabinet.That's not what they're telling them though. They are asking them to move south. In many ways, it is somewhat unprecedented for a military to give a population a 10 plus day warning that their area isn't safe and that they should move further south.
Their continued presence is an act of rebellion and terrorism apparently@gfactor86 - there’s no Hamas in the West Bank, yet Palestinians keep getting killed there. Why’s that?
If you are Palestinian surely you would not trust Israel in giving you back your land. This whole thing smells like Nakba 2.0 especially when you listen to the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu's cabinet.
It’s already happening and been happening in the West Bank for decades though.You might be right on the Nakba 2.0 thing. Something that wouldn't have happened if not for Hamas' actions two weekends ago.
there’s no Hamas in the West Bank
Just to clarify this again, not to excuse anything Israel is doing in the West Bank but because it’s important in order to understand what the future likely holds for Nablus and Jenin (at least). Hamas, PIJ, and several other factions are very much present in the West Bank, especially in the north around those two cities. The PA’s authority is increasingly fragile there, especially in the Jenin refugee camp which is a PIJ stronghold from where the attacks in Israel early last year originated. What seemed likely to me recently was Nablus and Jenin gradually becoming mini-Gazas, increasingly ruled by the Islamist factions and subject to Israeli sieges and raids which leave the PA completely sidelined. In fact it might be accurate to say that has been the status in Jenin, or at least it refugee camp, for the last 18 months.
But that's more of a "recent" development? And one has to ask this question, why wouldn't you start supporting the more aggressive movements when you realize that you are at the mercy of settlers and IDF with seemingly no support from the PA's authority or the international community?
Are you serious mate? I am not condoning Hamas, but the blockade since 2005 guaranteed that they are damned if they don't and damned if they do. I will fight back if all avenue I have attempted has failed just like the Palestinians did. I only disagree with the targeting of innocent civilians.You might be right on the Nakba 2.0 thing. Something that wouldn't have happened if not for Hamas' actions two weekends ago.
Yes I think you can probably trace it back about two years from what I’ve read. And I agree it’s probably the inevitable consequence of the situation in the West Bank over the last decade or so.
Are you serious mate? I am not condoning Hamas, but the blockade since 2005 guaranteed that they are damned if they don't and damned if they do. I will fight back if all avenue I have attempted has failed just like the Palestinians did. I only disagree with the targeting of innocent civilians.
If we are going to be honest for once, Israel are never going to give these folks their legitimate right, neither through diplomacy nor violence, with that knowledge in mind I think their choices are very limited if at all existent. Again I do NOT condone targeting innocent civilians.
The UK started this conflict by double dealing but the USA have continued to fuel it by allowing Israel to be an apartheid and self indulging cnuts, and this is coming from someone that truly cares about Israel
I think its fair to say the Israeli reaction is 100% based on Hamas' act from two weeks ago. We can go back in time further all the way to be earlier parts of the 20th century, but in terms of the Israeli invasion of the present, it is a direct reaction to Hamas' attack on them 14 days ago.
Sorry…Just to clarify this again, not to excuse anything Israel is doing in the West Bank but because it’s important in order to understand what the future likely holds for Nablus and Jenin (at least). Hamas, PIJ, and several other factions are very much present in the West Bank, especially in the north around those two cities. The PA’s authority is increasingly fragile there, especially in the Jenin refugee camp which is a PIJ stronghold from where the attacks in Israel early last year originated. What seemed likely to me recently was Nablus and Jenin gradually becoming mini-Gazas, increasingly ruled by the Islamist factions and subject to Israeli sieges and raids which leave the PA completely sidelined. In fact it might be accurate to say that has been the status in Jenin, or at least it refugee camp, for the last 18 months.
Sounds pretty imminent.
I understand your point, but looking at the crisis as snapshot from two weeks ago would never solve the problem. The Israelis created the largest prison ever and thought it had never blow up in their face. Except they are ready to murder 2.3 million people, these tactics will never bring peace. They are fighting people who have nothing to loose. The only way to expect peace from your enemy is to give him something he is in danger of losing.I think its fair to say the Israeli reaction is 100% based on Hamas' act from two weeks ago. We can go back in time further all the way to be earlier parts of the 20th century, but in terms of the Israeli invasion of the present, it is a direct reaction to Hamas' attack on them 14 days ago.
Sorry…
*there had been no Hamas in the West Bank, yet Israelis kept killing Palestinians
And I’d tend to think along the same lines as what @JPRouve said… any recent growth of militant factions in the West Bank has to be traced, at least in part, to the persistent actions of Settlers and IDF in the West Bank. I also have to consider if it wasn’t the Israeli government’s intention all along for militancy to grow in the West Bank in order to give them an excuse to take more action there.
I have to somehow get an answer from anyone with a solid knowledge on this very delicate matter and you're one of the posters I respect the most in this thread.Just to clarify this again, not to excuse anything Israel is doing in the West Bank but because it’s important in order to understand what the future likely holds for Nablus and Jenin (at least). Hamas, PIJ, and several other factions are very much present in the West Bank, especially in the north around those two cities. The PA’s authority is increasingly fragile there, especially in the Jenin refugee camp which is a PIJ stronghold from where the attacks in Israel early last year originated. What seemed likely to me recently was Nablus and Jenin gradually becoming mini-Gazas, increasingly ruled by the Islamist factions and subject to Israeli sieges and raids which leave the PA completely sidelined. In fact it might be accurate to say that has been the status in Jenin, or at least it refugee camp, for the last 18 months.
I think its fair to say the Israeli reaction is 100% based on Hamas' act from two weeks ago. We can go back in time further all the way to be earlier parts of the 20th century, but in terms of the Israeli invasion of the present, it is a direct reaction to Hamas' attack on them 14 days ago.
I see one man on that side who was, and imo still is, a valid partner in the peace negociations. That's Marwan Barghouti. What's your take on him?
They'd need to release him first and that ain't happening any time soon.Marwan Barghouti
I don't think Israel will pull back even if the hostages where released at this point. They won't stop until they have destroyd Hamas fighting capabilities in Gaza, it will be bloody as hell for both sides but as usual when it comes to urban warfare it will be the civilians that are trapped in the area that will take the biggest hit.If Hamas returned all the hostages then Israel would stop the onslaught. They won't though because Hamas hates the 200 hostages more than it loves the 2m Palestinians that they claim to fight for
Thanks for sharing mate, I get your point. I was actually meaning the lack of global attention and stern pushback against this.Attention in Israel to whatever is going on in the WB is low in normal times. Now it's really non existant. Add the fact that the govenment is pro-settlers, that the IDF helps them at times as well and that its attention has also been diverted, and you get this terrible situation.
Some settlers are truly scum.
They'd need to release him first and that ain't happening any time soon.
If Hamas returned all the hostages then Israel would stop the onslaught. They won't though because Hamas hates the 200 hostages more than it loves the 2m Palestinians that they claim to fight for
