Is this to do with Biden's visit?
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Is this to do with Biden's visit?
If it’s shit enough? Obviously it was tongue in cheek, and I don’t think he should lose his job, but it was incredibly offensive and insulting.
Where did you get the idea that peaceful protests are not allowed? German is an extremely liberal country. Berlin is one of the most liberal cities in Europe. Hell of a claim to make that they have suddenly banned peaceful protest?
I heard they banned pro-Palestinian protests in Germany and France.
Pro-Zionist cnut assaults UNICEF aid workers.
No I don't think it's sackable either.
Didn’t check France but quick google does reveal that in Germany they banned pro-Hamas protests (apparently due to some celebratory gatherings in Neukolln immediately after the attack on Israel) but not pro-Palestine protests. Which seems fair enough?
What a dick.
I'd imagine these protests are getting cracked down because despite the "peaceful protestors" line, many of the protestors aren't peaceful and some are openly anti-semtic, which would come into conflict with German hate crime regulations.
https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-break-up-banned-pro-palestinian-rally/a-67104373
Pro-Palestinian protests have been banned/clamped down on. 1 was specifically banned, not because they were chanting for Hamas, but because it was "too close" to a Pro-Israeli protest.
Plus, are there people out there peacefully protesting on behalf of the actively violent terrorist group Hamas? Are they new members of the local Hamas cell?
Conflating Palestinian support with Hamas support is a slimy move from politicians and the media. Didn't the BBC retract some statements to that effect recently?
Ok, I guess that makes sense. Germany is excruciatingly sensitive about antisemitism, for obvious reasons. But I know for a fact that pro Palestine protests are not uncommon in Berlin. I’ve walked past one.
Antisemitism Among Muslim Migrants Unsettles a Germany Haunted by the Holocaust
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/an...ny-haunted-by-the-holocaust-ff359e73?mod=e2tw
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/an...ny-haunted-by-the-holocaust-ff359e73?mod=e2tw
Not really, but kinda.
Pathetic.
What a fecking psychopath, you can see it in his eyes.
Germany being sensitive about wrongly killing 6 million Jews shouldn't translate to being overprotective against pro-Palestinian protests which are overwhelmingly not pro-Hamas. Especially if Germany is a democracy.
Good post, those articles are well worth reading. God only knows how these kids will turn out when they become adults (if they arent murdered before then). Its too much trauma for those so young.
I guess that depends on your definition of “overprotective”. I can see why they don’t want any active and obvious support of Hamas, specifically, on their streets right now. As I already said, they generally don’t have any problem with people taking to the streets in support of Palestine.
I also think the cultural and emotional scars of the six million dead Jews run a little deeper than you seem to be willing to give credit for.
Oh I know.
I've asked so many times... what exactly does Israel expect to happen from all that childhood trauma?
Just awful stuff man. It's so sad.
These protests have a tendency to produce antisemitism and violence, so they sometimes get rejected even in quiet times. With tensions running especially high and people celebrating the attack of Hamas in the streets the police are probably even more careful.
The optics of Germans or people in Germany shouting "gas the jews" as they did in Australia doesn't really bear thinking about surely you see that
A blanket ban is a ridiculous remedy.
Do what any sensible government would do: arrest/sanction those who display support for proscribed groups.
Should mosques be banned, based on some correlation analysis?
Whats going on? This is a genuine question from someone not educated in Middle East politics. From my uneducated perspective, Israel, are bombing a neighbouring region containing hamas militants, and killing innocent people in the process?
If so, why is the west supporting this?
If so, why is the west supporting this?
Optics > free speech, understood
Yes if you make criticizing Israel and Zionism anti-semetic, then ofcourse ever Pro-Palestinian protest will end up being anti-semetic.
They allow protests against immigration from far right parties, I'm sure those would never have a tendency to produce racism right?
The last couple of days are a microcosm of why this is so toxic and tragic. Feels like there are few people who are actually genuinely concerned about the humanitarian aspects and more concerned about point scoring, selective sympathy or projecting the worst possible perception on the other side.
I haven't heard much outrage about the prospect that Islamic Jihad killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians in the process of trying to kill Israeli civilians, as if somehow if the IDF killed them it makes it more of a tragedy and injustice. And very weird attempts to draw moral high grounds in areas of beheading or not beheading babies, when thousands of people have died brutally.
It should be possible to criticise the Israeli govt/Hamas for what they are actually doing and why they are objectively doing it, than essentially projecting your own disdain for them as a strawman.
I haven't heard much outrage about the prospect that Islamic Jihad killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians in the process of trying to kill Israeli civilians, as if somehow if the IDF killed them it makes it more of a tragedy and injustice. And very weird attempts to draw moral high grounds in areas of beheading or not beheading babies, when thousands of people have died brutally.
It should be possible to criticise the Israeli govt/Hamas for what they are actually doing and why they are objectively doing it, than essentially projecting your own disdain for them as a strawman.
Oh yes, do the sensible thing, allow mass protests, then turn them into a violent mess when the police goes into the crowd and arrests hundreds of people.
That's a whole lot of writing to say not much at all.
Unless you are more specific you're just dismissing lots of good posts.
Most people are criticising all of the killing.
Might be a bit conspiratorial, but this Hospital attack has been used as an information war, in my opinion. I think Israel knew it wasn't them, happily let people think otherwise and quickly jump on unverified reports, which sows doubt on potential reports in the future. I think it's made a lot of very loud pro-palestine commentators look a bit silly (if it is indeed the Islamic Jihad group).
Who was behind the Gaza hospital blast – visual investigation – Channel 4 News
This is pretty balanced and weighs up the evidence presented by both sides. Not sure how to embed C4's video - but give it a watch.
This is pretty balanced and weighs up the evidence presented by both sides. Not sure how to embed C4's video - but give it a watch.
Does 7 decades of experience count?
The post was also a load of wank. "So many agendas, not enough pointless wailing for humanity"
Other countries handle this quite well without mass arrests. England for example. 1 poster from here attended a Pro-Palestinian protest, no Hamas chants or flags
To dig up an ol' caf saying, this is exactly how Nazi Germany started
It is interesting that you are so much concerned about people trying to score points in a conversation about death, but then immediately resort to borderline whataboutism in the next line.