I doubt it. Contrary to the optics, Israel are showing some restraint (hence no ground move yet) - no one wants this to be a full blown regional war, and they want to keep the Arab states (whose leaders don't really care) in a position where relationship normalisation can be picked up down the line. Having people think they precision bombed a hospital doesn’t help.
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I doubt it. Contrary to the optics, Israel are showing some restraint (hence no ground move yet) - no one wants this to be a full blown regional war, and they want to keep the Arab states (whose leaders don't really care) in a position where relationship normalisation can be picked up down the line. Having people think they precision bombed a hospital doesn’t help.
Nice to see a little balance in the media.
At least you used fewer words to say nothing.
This post has more substance than your last
Ah right. The authorities have their own experiences from the past, but what does that count against 1 poster from redcafe.net going to a protest in a different country. Good thing there wasn't a caf user at that protest in Australia though.
Bombing hospitals, schools, homes and places of worship from miles away where they can't be touched is not restraint, it fecking cowardice.
Good thread:
You're right that it's a hell of a claim to make, but it's 100% true. I was in Berlin this weekend as a tourist and whenever a peaceful protest started up, they would send 15+ vans full of Riot Police to intimidate / arrest en masse. I saw it with my own eyes on 3 occasions in a 48 hour period where we were wandering through the tourist spots. There's additional outrage because the Berlin police had allowed pro-Israel protests on the Friday night, but wouldn't allow Palestine supporters to do the same.
On Saturday afternoon, I saw 2 groups of Palestine supporters, not saying A WORD, arrested or shoved into walls by Berlin police. On both occasions the police outnumbered the protesters 15:1. It was terrifying as the police didn't say a single word as they went about their business to quash any protest. Also we were told that even wearing a keffiyeh is banned at the moment.
No need to waste people's time by writing 3 paragraphs of waffle, so I didn't.
This is the stuff that does my head in. I'm not an expert, but I reckon I can tell what missile was fired by the sound in a video. Right. It hurts everybody reporting stuff in this way.
My point is I think they are happy with the confusion and gives them more credibility, especially as I personally think it will turn out it wasn't them. i think general public opinion was pretty poor towards Israel with the rhetoric coming out of their govt. The whole Netenyahu aide tweet is very suspicious as well.
I just want to be educated, please.
Ah crap, more Palestinian propaganda for the terrorist army to debunk.
Very good thread, thanks for posting
And you're hardly using those brain cells of yours.
That's an operation that went over the head of some the highest positioned members of the Hamas itself and managed to blindside one of best the intelligence agencies in the world with all eyes on that particular
I'm (almost) certain that the guy didn't mean it that way, but it certainly is telling, and truly shocking that the question was even asked. Even more shocking is that it doesn't really seem to ruffle any feathers. I find it admirable that she didn't flinch and took the time to answer. I really don't know what I would've done if I was in her shoes.
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Thanks for sharing. A tough read that does a great job of capturing how tough it must be for the Palestinian citizens right now
I'm still sceptical that invading Gaza is a wise decision but oh well...
What about any of this is screaming wisdom to you?
It is true. West has 7 decades of experience supporting Israel in all its actions. Israel is a big western ally. Its actions endorsed. Its acts justified.
Now how it reflects on the western foreign policy is up to you to decide.
Restraint. Please elaborate.
Insulting another member
Can't believe ***** here believe it was an Hamas error which caused the 3 towers of hospital to collapse..
I bet they think it is Hamas who rings the other hospitals and apartment buildings telling the tenants to evacuate immediately for a risk of imminent death by Hamas war plane or SAM.
Anyone who believes Anything coming out of that racist govt is a fool.
I bet they think it is Hamas who rings the other hospitals and apartment buildings telling the tenants to evacuate immediately for a risk of imminent death by Hamas war plane or SAM.
Anyone who believes Anything coming out of that racist govt is a fool.
Can't believe ***** here believe it was an Hamas error which caused the 3 towers of hospital to collapse..
I bet they think it is Hamas who rings the other hospitals and apartment buildings telling the tenants to evacuate immediately for a risk of imminent death by Hamas war plane or SAM.
Anyone who believes Anything coming out of that racist govt is a fool.
Surprised we don't have a "*****" word filter on here yet.
Wow. They must be seriously on edge. That’s mad.
Can't believe ***** here believe it was an Hamas error which caused the 3 towers of hospital to collapse..
I bet they think it is Hamas who rings the other hospitals and apartment buildings telling the tenants to evacuate immediately for a risk of imminent death by Hamas war plane or SAM.
Anyone who believes Anything coming out of that racist govt is a fool.
It’d be unkind and overly cynical to say they intended to destroy the hospital.
Thanks for posting, interesting viewing. It seems the physical evidence suggests it wasn’t your “standard” Israeli air strike. But beyond that, it seems like it could be a whole heap of things which at this stage is unknown.
A new Israeli massacre at Nuseirat mosque reports say the refugee camp there and a bakery was also hit:
New Israeli massacre, dozens killed in airstrikes on Nuseirat Mosque in Gaza (msn.com)
New Israeli massacre, dozens killed in airstrikes on Nuseirat Mosque in Gaza (msn.com)
Does it matter if the specific strike was targeted at the hospital or not?
Every single Palestinian life and every single Israeli life lost is directly as a result of actions Hamas and the Israeli government have taken over decades. And both should be held responsible for every single drop of blood lost regardless of “intent” of a particular attack.
Can't believe ***** here believe it was an Hamas error which caused the 3 towers of hospital to collapse..
I bet they think it is Hamas who rings the other hospitals and apartment buildings telling the tenants to evacuate immediately for a risk of imminent death by Hamas war plane or SAM.
Anyone who believes Anything coming out of that racist govt is a fool.
Anyone who believes anything from either side immediately after the event is a fool tbh.
The audio that Israel presented sounds fabricated though, which is a pretty telling sign that someone isn't being transparent with the truth (for me anyways).
Some more info on Nuseirat mosque:
Of course, neither does the contradictory nature of the launch site in Gaza. But given the severity of the consequence of the world believing it was them, I could understand why they naively tried to manufacture evidence to further their claim. For me, I don’t want to jump to conclusions. Better to wait until more information comes out, if it ever does.
The lack of physical evidence, particularly shrapnel is significant imo. Quite often, the tell tale sign it was one of the other was the fragments of the weapon used and when it's Israel at fault, it's quickly put online.
This may be true but good to know this Twitter account has been unreliable in the past.
All the technology in this world and they can't figure it out yet? Is it that difficult or is it just a massive cover-up?
The actual strike itself doesn’t matter much. It’s 50ish civcas in a war that has produced thousands.
It matters insofar that it lit a powder keg on top of a volatile situation due to some terrible reporting and believing the Hamas and Gaza ecosystem. It was a sensational headline used to fuel rage and topple embassies as well as to sink diplomacy.
The frothing hatred spewed against Jews and the diplomatic repercussions of this absolutely matter. It’s what happens when media is more interested in point scoring than fact.
It’s figured out to a large degree of confidence. Certainty no, but as of this morning it was pretty much mystery solved. Not sure why anybody still thinks it was an air strike.
Well the Gazans said they have the warhead that proves it was Israel, although at the time of typing this they haven't presented it. Let's see what transpires.