Can you explain to me how its offensive to people who think Palestinians live in 'relative peace' when people say that this isn't the case?
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Can you explain to me how its offensive to people who think Palestinians live in 'relative peace' when people say that this isn't the case?
This was covered last night. Fair to say, the majority of evidence since, as presented by impartial observers, casts major doubt on the Hamas version of events. And I'm putting it mildly.
Do you honestly still believe Israel did this?
Yes. That is how it works, or how it should work. This is how things work in our countries. If a terrorist killed thirty people and then barricaded himself in your home, with you and your family inside, the army would not bomb your home. If they did, it would be controversial, to say the least.
Otherwise you get situations like the 2019 Miramar shooting, when two robbers carjacked an UPS truck and took the driver hostage. The police simply opened fire on the truck and murdered the robbers and the hostage as well as an innocent bystander, a complete travesty of justice. I would find it hard to believe that if your friend or relative was that hostage who got obliterated, you would accept the police's argument that "they were hamstrung."
The reason that hostage and bystander died is because the police value a risk to their own lives far, far higher than they rank the lives of civilians. And that too is part of the reason why the IDF will drop bombs on civilians; it is less risky on their own soldiers. The other part of the reason is that they simply don't value those civilian lives a whole lot.
People are offended at the Palestinian living conditions being described poorly? You don't believe they are? Is it you that is offended by the assertion they live in awful conditions and circumstances?
Why?
And if you find a post, drivel as you say, point it out, don't have a mini tantrum into the ether.
The UN and Amnesty also described the living conditions of the Palestinians as poor and describe fear and intimidation. So it's not that odd when someone says they have a relatively peaceful existence people will take issue.
Amnesty in 2021 "Laws, policies and practices which are intended to maintain a cruel system of control over Palestinians, have left them fragmented geographically and politically, frequently impoverished, and in a constant state of fear and insecurity."
Now I'm more than happy to have the opposite explained to me. As to who is offended by that statement.
I didn't know we were having an argument Buster. At worst we disagree on the Palestinian quality of life, but that's OK, I trust my plentiful sources.
thats utter crap. if the other tweet had a shellshocked isarel child being comforted by a doctor and the child then bursts into tears my reaction would be the same.
Ive had a quick look at your post history and it tells me everything i need to know about you
Well, if there had been a rumour on any street in the world, it would have been in Gaza and not in Tel Aviv or London. I'm sure there wasn't, of course.
Any news on Egypt and taking in refugees? Seems a bit quiet on that side. Still negotiations ongoing between Israel/US/Egypt?
Righto. Same could be said about you.
Why not mourn for both of them, why equivocate?
It's incredible the mental gymnastics people will do to justify genocide.
As usual, just like the sun rising in the east.
It's how that sort of armed resistance works. The IRA blended in to the civilian population in Northern Ireland.
Why? Because everyone in Gaza are Hamas supporters?
No, because it's more likely that such a rumour would circulate close to the place the operation started in.
While that may be statistically true it was an outrageous and reductive question to ask. But you know that. Don't be deliberately obtuse, it doesn't help things.
It's hardly outrageous.
Ok. I was using the word argument in a broad sense. Discussion may have been a better word.
As you rightly say, it is ok to disagree.
It was not my intention to trivialise the plight of the many Palestinians living in Gaza.
If we go back to the post I was responding to, where I used the word Peace, I was trying (badly) to point out that the events of the last week or so when the IDF were heavily bombing targets in Gaza don't happen all the time. And despite the difficult conditions they live under, in the main, they get on with their lives.
On national television, to reduce everyone to being in terrorist circles, yes I feel it was reductive, racist and quite outrageous given the scale of the audience.
Semi conflict related
Although correct, I believe Hamas didn't communicate what was going to happen to their soldiers until just before it happened. Otherwise it would've surely been leaked in chatter and picked up by Israeli eavesdropping.
I know all of that. While I do hesitate to draw lines in time I didn't take issue.
Weeks don't measure time for the oppressed, trauma can take years and even generations to recede.
Again I didn't take huge issue, I was was just explaining why people did.
Thank you. I think we may understand eachother slightly better even if we don't share the same views.
This is incredibly troubling, all the more reason to call a cease fire, end the occupation entirely and finally free Palestine.
It's all good Buster. It's really beneficial to discuss these things freely and not offend and also try not to be offended. That way we can all really have a good think through discussion.
Let’s see if Liverpool suspends him then 
How is the situation elsewhere in Europe, because in Berlin, or at least parts of it, the picture on the streets seems to be getting a bit grim:
Pro Palestine protests are getting harder to distinguish from riots:
And there's a Spiegel interview (translated into English) with the integration commissioner of the district where the video above was taken that contains some pretty shocking quotes:
"Unfortunately, wide swaths of the Arab-speaking population in Neukölln harbor sympathies for the terrorists."
"I would not advise anybody to make their Jewish faith visible in Neukölln. Those who wear the kippa already faced the prospect of being spat on or insulted in quieter times."
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...orists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49
Pro Palestine protests are getting harder to distinguish from riots:
And there's a Spiegel interview (translated into English) with the integration commissioner of the district where the video above was taken that contains some pretty shocking quotes:
"Unfortunately, wide swaths of the Arab-speaking population in Neukölln harbor sympathies for the terrorists."
"I would not advise anybody to make their Jewish faith visible in Neukölln. Those who wear the kippa already faced the prospect of being spat on or insulted in quieter times."
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...orists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49
So what's the point of the weeks long invasion of Gaza, if they believe Hamas will take years to root out?
As Ghassan Alyan said, the point was to open the gates of hell and cause destruction.
That's what happens when you don't even allow peaceful protests. People aren't going to stop wanting to protest, especially when you show a clear bias towards one side allowing them to protest.
It's obvious what they want to do, they want to drive Palestinians out of Gaza in order to annex the land for Israelis.
Call me crazy, but being shit at your job should be a sackable offence.
I said it was moronic. Just not sackable. Not need to go to extremes.
Absolutely. Does one shit question make you shit?
I am sure you are correct.
Optics and wanting to create the new generation of hamas cadres.
Now times that buy about half a million, with a significant section of the gazans having being brought up knowing nothing but the Israeli terror
I am really worried for both Jews and Muslims in other parts of the world as human beings can be very stupid, lack the ability to analyse situations and direct frustration towards the right quarters.
While I can feel the pain of the Israeli society, surely they have to know that this was coming at some point with the continued neglect of their neighbours. It is beyond negligent for Israel to think it can achieve peace without addressing the Palestinian plight. The use of Military force will not achieve long lasting peace except if the plan is to eradicate all Palestinians from that land.
I understand pain and I have lived it, the first reaction is always the wrong one. They are fighting people who have nothing to loose due to decades of injustice and dehumanization. I just hope they have a diplomatic solution to this issue.
While I can feel the pain of the Israeli society, surely they have to know that this was coming at some point with the continued neglect of their neighbours. It is beyond negligent for Israel to think it can achieve peace without addressing the Palestinian plight. The use of Military force will not achieve long lasting peace except if the plan is to eradicate all Palestinians from that land.
I understand pain and I have lived it, the first reaction is always the wrong one. They are fighting people who have nothing to loose due to decades of injustice and dehumanization. I just hope they have a diplomatic solution to this issue.