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It's pretty convenient for Israel that whenever they commit some atrocity, they can just point towards Hamas or another militant group and say they did it, and the western media and politicians will mostly just lap it up.
 
RedTiger said:
He has to considering the labour party is all but disintegrating over this conflict.
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We found out last night, before the coward Lee Harpin deleted it, that the party considers such people 'fleas'. They'll be delighted with that letter from Muslim members and councillors saying they've lost confidence in Starmer.
 
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Hamas and Israel government are both scum, feck them both. Spoilers or not I just can’t comprehend people trawling images of dead children on twitter to post on here.
 
Whomever caused the destruction of that hospital and the deaths and suffering of those within it are beyond hope. Disgusting. I hope they are made to pay.

I've found myself becoming increasingly desensitised to what has been occurring this last week and a bit, but seeing some of what was posted above has shaken me.
 
Mike Smalling said:
It's pretty convenient for Israel that whenever they commit some atrocity, they can just point towards Hamas or another militant group and say they did it, and the western media and politicians will mostly just lap it up.
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Like they lapped up the death of Shireen Abu Akleh?

The admission came after investigations conducted by international news outlets, including The New York Times and The Washington Post concluded that she was killed by Israeli forces, with CNN finding that her death was the result of a targeted Israeli killing.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh
 
Frosty said:


Interesting language used.
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Just trying to change his language after lots of criticism this week with his comment. I was inclined to voting to for labour but I am considering all my options right now.
 
Mike Smalling said:
It's pretty convenient for Israel that whenever they commit some atrocity, they can just point towards Hamas or another militant group and say they did it, and the western media and politicians will mostly just lap it up.
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Haven't seen anyone lapping it up for the time being.
The evidence is inconclusive and people (and politicians, and countries) will all but assume it was an Israeli job.
look at the call from the UN to hold a meeting of its security council.
Never would have happened if anyone thought it was Hamas' own feck-up, or the Islamic Jihad for that matter.
Look at the reaction from the Saudis or Keir what's-his-name.

Look at the reaction of almost everyone here.

There's no room in people's minds for the possibility that it might not have been Israel after all.
Just like many people couldn't consider that the beheaded-babies story was made up.
I bet there are still many many folks that'll swear Hamas has done that.

The truth isn't always the most important thing. We are all biased and emotional.
 
ScholesyTheWise said:
Haven't seen anyone lapping it up for the time being.
The evidence is inconclusive and people (and politicians, and countries) will all but assume it was an Israeli job.
look at the call from the UN to hold a meeting of its security council.
Never would have happened if anyone thought it was Hamas' own feck-up, or the Islamic Jihad for that matter.
Look at the reaction from the Saudis or Keir what's-his-name.

Look at the reaction of almost everyone here.

There's no room in people's minds for the possibility that it might not have been Israel after all.
Just like many people couldn't consider that the beheaded-babies story was made up.
I bet there are still many many folks that'll swear Hamas has done that.

The truth isn't always the most important thing. We are all biased and emotional.
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I actually think that it's a possibility. Right now I don't who did it but the IDF spokeperson comments put doubts in my mind, I don't see why he didn't immediately rule out IDF, the only logical reason would be that they were doing something in that area at that moment.
 
More OSINT analysts suggesting the hospital attack was a malfunctioning rocket from Palestine.
 
JPRouve said:
I actually think that it's a possibility. Right now I don't who did it but the IDF spokeperson comments put doubts in my mind, I don't see why he didn't immediately rule out IDF, the only logical reason would be that they were doing something in that area at that moment.
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I also think it's a possibility but you and I don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Countries and politicians were, are, and always will be very quick to choose sides on this conflict almost regardless of what happens out there.
 
VorZakone said:
Like they lapped up the death of Shireen Abu Akleh?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh
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Who lapped up her death?

They admitted they did it after a long drawn out avoidance - they blamed militants, then it was being in the cross fire, then they blocked any/all investigation, then they wouldn’t give the bullet for analysis… it was a very long drawn out affair before they admitted that they murdered her…and still no justice for Abu Aklehs family.
 
VorZakone said:
I'm curious why the blast was so devastating though.
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I have no idea who fired it but the video I've seen was not of a large bomb. The explosion wasnt big enough and they dont burn like that. It was something smaller that has hit something flammable like a fuel tank.
 
E-mal said:
Just trying to change his language after lots of criticism this week with his comment. I was inclined to voting to for labour but I am considering all my options right now.
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I always vote labour but his Israel stance will mean I look elsewhere for sure.
 
calodo2003 said:
@ScholesyTheWise

I am coming across a decent Channel 13 tweets & news. What type, if any, of bias does this channel have?
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The Israeli TV Channel 13? Do they have a Twitter page?
broadly speaking, Channels 12 and 13 would lean towards criticizing this government but are overwhelmingly pro-Israel regarding this war.
There's not a single TV channel in Israel that will give any thought to innocent Palestinians at the moment, from what I've seen.
It's a war on our home, on our lives, and our existence, this is the narrative.

Don't ever look at Channel 14. For them, Bibi is a saint, the 8th wonder of the world. those who oppose him are treasurous leftists who should be hanged.
 
11101 said:
I have no idea who fired it but the video I've seen was not of a large bomb. The explosion wasnt big enough and they dont burn like that. It was something smaller that has hit something flammable like a fuel tank.
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Yes, this is a possibility that will be overlooked by many, surely. who knows.
 
ScholesyTheWise said:
The Israeli TV Channel 13? Do they have a Twitter page?
broadly speaking, Channels 12 and 13 would lean towards criticizing this government but are overwhelmingly pro-Israel regarding this war.
There's not a single TV channel in Israel that will give any thought to innocent Palestinians at the moment, from what I've seen.
It's a war on our home, on our lives, and our existence, this is the narrative.

Don't ever look at Channel 14. For them, Bibi is a saint, the 8th wonder of the world. those who oppose him are treasurous leftists who should be hanged.
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Don’t know if they have a page, but I’ve probably seen the most ‘attributed to’ articles & interviews to them. Just heard them mentioned a couple of times in the same segment on MSNBC & that spurred me to ask you.

Thanks!
 
I really dislike that I have no idea how reliable 99% of the tweets posted in this thread are. They could be true, they could be from biased accounts, they could be deliberate lies, they could be the opinions of some random idiot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about but tries to sound like he does on twitter.
 
Considering Israel has changed its story about 5 times already and is following the typical playbook anyone who doesn’t believe they done this strike is a fecking idiot.

Also, the image of the doctors holding the press conference is one of the most haunting images I have ever seen, may Palestine be free
 
Longer thread of analysis (he means read his thread, not the Yousuf troll).

 
Newtonius said:
The we need proof of beheadings crowd sure believed hamas claims real fast
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At this point it seems ludicrous to accuse any one side of selectively believing reports that suit them, as if there isn't abundant examples of the reverse.
 
space said:
Considering Israel has changed its story about 5 times already and is following the typical playbook anyone who doesn’t believe they done this strike is a fecking idiot.

Also, the image of the doctors holding the press conference is one of the most haunting images I have ever seen, may Palestine be free
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If there's no room for opinions different than yours, what's the point of this thread exactly?
 
sullydnl said:
I really dislike that I have no idea how reliable 99% of the tweets posted in this thread are. They could be true, they could be from biased accounts, they could be deliberate lies, they could be the opinions of some random idiot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about but tries to sound like he does on twitter.
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Yeah.
Quite agonizing how Twitter is the go-to for everyone, while the stuff that's posted there is so easily manipulated...
 
RedDevil@84 said:
People need to understand war and death. People living in areas of peace casually talk about war as if it were a game where they can pick sides and cheer when their side wins.
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Not on this forum they don't need to, and certainly not through people posting horrific images.
 
Truth is, if it was Israel, they're not going to admit to it anytime soon, and they'll have the social media team doing damage limitation/sowing seeds of doubt.

If it was Hamas or someone similar, they're not going to own up to it either.

It's highly likely it was Israeli - but the only real rock solid known fact is that the Gaza people have got even more terror and destruction to deal with, and it highlights further proof that violence isn't going to solve shit in this region.
 
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