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Pogue Mahone said:
Has there been any kind of street protests against the assault on Gaza in Israel so far? I’d imagine there’s a huge risk of escalation if that happened?
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(not israeli, not an expert, but i do have a phd in following twitter)

on the streets, there is a small movement that seems to want to prioritise releasing hostages (which perhaps can't be done with this level of bombing). online, there are a few calling this barbaric, etc.
most of the rhetoric seemed to be escalatory.


the most remarkable one, made me cry, came from a hamas survivor, a day or two after the attack.



didn't share it so far because it's obviously not representative of survivors, and honestly i wouldn't expect any survivors of such a brutal attack to respond like she did.
 
Halftrack said:
I need to repeat; Hamas and Islamic Jihad uses homemade rockets with small warheads and homemade fuel. There have been dozens, if not hundreds of misfires over the last few years, and all of them combined haven't managed to do as much damage as this one. It is extremely dubious, one might say impossible even, that this was caused by Qassam/al-Quds rocket.
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Sadly, gone are the days when Hamas/Islamic Jihad only had homemade rockets. they have them nowadays, sure,
but they also have much more serious stuff.


That's not to say that I'm convinced about what happened in that hospital either way, just as an aside.
 
Staggering that people don’t believe Israel would bomb a hospital when the rhetoric all along has been that they deserve revenge and that they view the people in Palestine as animals. This seems par for the course for them.
 
Wish people would stop posting things that are likely to cause ptsd. NOTHING good can come from clicking on a video you know will show horrific images, NOTHING.
 
Cloud7 said:
Staggering that people don’t believe Israel would bomb a hospital when the rhetoric all along has been that they deserve revenge and that they view the people in Palestine as animals. This seems par for the course for them.
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Western people still identify with Israel and wouldn't like to believe this is the side they've supported for years.
 
FriedClams said:
Wish people would stop posting things that are likely to cause ptsd. NOTHING good can come from clicking on a video you know will show horrific images, NOTHING.
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People need to understand war and death. People living in areas of peace casually talk about war as if it were a game where they can pick sides and cheer when their side wins.
 
Simbo said:
Pretty sure I've just seen proof. Very good advice for everyone though!
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I'm going to take your confidence about proof with a grain of salt since you said this last week about the whole 'beheaded babies' thing:

Simbo said:
You've got multiple soldiers, reporters, first responders confirming they've seen it and Israel has now officially confirmed it after a few days I suppose they needed to identify remains and inform families. That's enough for most people, including Biden clearly. People feverishly trying to claim misinfo about everything to do with this story aren't doing themselves any favours.
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ScholesyTheWise said:
NATO has probably been accused of similar stuff back in the bombings of Yugoslavia...

Not sure it's true though. Not sure it matters, to be honest.
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Israel killed more civilians in the first day of Gaza bombing than NATO did in 3 months of bombing Yugoslavia.
 
More videos. Fathers holding bits of their children in carrier bags. Infants crying and screaming next to their injured mothers. Body parts strewn all over the place. Nothing is worth this. Nothing.
 
Revan said:
Israel killed more civilians in the first day of Gaza bombing than NATO did in 3 months of bombing Yugoslavia.
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Which is why I said I don't think it (that NATO might have done it in the past) matters.
but what you said didn't contradict what I wrote.
 
berbatrick said:
(not israeli, not an expert, but i do have a phd in following twitter)

on the streets, there is a small movement that seems to want to prioritise releasing hostages (which perhaps can't be done with this level of bombing). online, there are a few calling this barbaric, etc.
most of the rhetoric seemed to be escalatory.


the most remarkable one, made me cry, came from a hamas survivor, a day or two after the attack.



didn't share it so far because it's obviously not representative of survivors, and honestly i wouldn't expect any survivors of such a brutal attack to respond like she did.
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Wow. What an impressive kid. Bless her.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
Western people still identify with Israel and wouldn't like to believe this is the side they've supported for years.
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I don’t like being that guy, nor am I in any way trying to justify the atrocities they have committed, but imagine if it was Russia that did this, how different the response would have been. This stopped being about “Israel defending themselves” about two thousand civilian deaths ago.
 
The fact that Israel have changed their narrative on the hospital, edited their own published info, warned the hospital they’ll bomb it, and have history of bombing hospitals probably tells me they’ve done it.
 
I find it hard incredibly to believe that Hamas suddenly produced what would probably be it's most powerful rocket ever and misfired it into a hospital.
 
Frosty said:


Interesting language used.
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Perhaps not the thread for this but I always find this kind of thing interesting. Humans have such a visceral reaction to violence but particularly to in your face violence.

Somehow beheading 40 babies becomes infinitely worse than just killing them, as if that wouldn't be bad enough. Gunning down 1000 people is much much worse than raining missiles and bombs on there from the skies or from an office somewhere far away at the press of the button.

And bombing (if this is Israel) a hospital is awful and beyond the pale and breaking international law, from the same people who earlier said that Israel basically has carte blanche to do as they wish and we stand with them unreservedly......but stopping water flowing and blockading essential medical supplies, leading to deaths from disease and subpar medical care.....not quite such a visceral reaction.

We're a funny species.
 
Guys, please don’t post these kinds of images. We can imagine…

I saw one picture here and almost vomited. Jesus!
 


They did the same with this raid, and Shireen’s murder. Deny it and then admit to it when the world moves on. It’ll be the same with this hospital.
 
The Corinthian said:
The fact that Israel have changed their narrative on the hospital, edited their own published info, warned the hospital they’ll bomb it, and have history of bombing hospitals probably tells me they’ve done it.
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Plus the same hospital got damaged a few days ago. Seems unlikely the same hospital got hit by friendly fire twice in four days.

Personally, I won’t be speaking in certainties though. Best to be skeptical about news coming out of both sides until it can be verified.
 
I posted earlier this morning of how the Israelis have attacked healthcare facilities over 100 times according to the UN. So their defence that they don't attack healthcare is bs. And mark reger can climb back under the rock he seems to have recently crawled out of.
 
Superden said:
I posted earlier this morning of how the Israelis have attacked healthcare facilities over 100 times according to the UN. So their defence that they don't attack healthcare is bs. And mark reger can climb back under the rock he seems to have recently crawled out of.
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It's unfortunately a common occurrence.
 
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