Perhaps Canada is over-cautious. When we see a Ukraine-esque evacuation of many Western embassies, then I'd be more worried about Hezbollah's involvement.
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Beyond IDF being stretched, I'm under the impression that people around the world have been exposed to larger issues including the repression and aggressions in the West Bank and the disastrous communication from the government and IDF. From an image standpoint Israel feels like an easier target this week more than ever which is weird when you consider that Hamas started the current development.
That, or Israel will conduct (again) a pre-emptive bombing of Beirut Airport cutting off an exit route
Because (correct me if I'm wrong) you believe complaints about bias in the media towards Israel are overblown
These aren't isolated mistakes. There's a systemic pattern. That's the point of the article
There were quotes from an IDF soldier that implied similar earlier. They don’t fancy it on the ground in an urban environment. It’s a little bit late for that now though, as Netanyahu has already said they’re going in and he’d look comically weak if he went back on it
So to be clear -
Your claim - protestors that were clear supporters of Hamas - there's no evidence.
Your point about Jeremy Corbyn again is irrelevant, unless you think he organised the protest, or people were protesting because JC told them to, or people were protesting for Hamas based on what JC had said about Hamas?
Please read up on the 'from the river to the sea' as you're just misinformed and repeating hasbara tropes. It has nothing to do with Hamas (your original point) and was used by Palestinians in the 1960s.
Did I miss the paragliders - 2 women in a group of 150,000? Yes, I most certainly did, and I'm sure another 149,998 most likely did too.
Well, what do you think it is -
Do you think a) you might possibly be wrong? or b) the MSM media which has to date told us babies have been beheaded (debunked), women raped (debunked), protestors being pro-Hamas (a lie that they've walked back on), misleading headlines, misleading photographs, parroting clearly debunked Israeli propaganda and minimising their own atrocities (see the Reuters incident) might be pro-Israeli in their reporting?
This is Iran's FM:
There's also this -
https://anti-israel-detector.vercel.app/
Israeli propaganda machine is basically web scraping pro-Palestinian Linked In posts to doxx or contact their employers. You really can't be seen to be pro-Palestinian anything.
https://anti-israel-detector.vercel.app/
Israeli propaganda machine is basically web scraping pro-Palestinian Linked In posts to doxx or contact their employers. You really can't be seen to be pro-Palestinian anything.
First reported hostage video…
My suggestion is that quite a few people who support Hamas or their aims were there. The paraglider images support this. The fact that Jeremy Corbyn called Hamas his friends supports this. Chanting 'From the River to the Sea' reflects an extremist position that the P.L.O no longer supports - but Hamas does. You may not like it but the extremists are calling the shots on both sides.
You are wrong. I think complaints about bias in the BBC are overblown. It’s coverage is fairly balanced overall . I’m basing this on some fairly general recent skims through it while arguing the toss on here, general familiarity with it over the years and the weak (in my opinion) evidence being used as confirmation that it’s systemically biased in this thread.
I have absolutely no idea how balanced the media in general is being, as I’m not as immersed in it as many of you seem to be. It might well be outrageously pro-Israel. I don’t have the time or the energy to dig into it. I’m sure the coverage in the US is wild. What little I’ve seen of your mainstream news media has always been incredibly biased to one extreme or another.
It was a dark joke when somebody in this thread asked if this is talked about at work - I don't want to be fired in a day
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233
A spokeswoman for the UN Palestinian refugee agency, UNRWA, said 14 staff members, mainly teachers, have been killed and the number increases as Israeli airstrikes continue almost uninterrupted.
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Rahaf, who is now in Khan Younis, said: "There is no clean water. There’s no water to even wash our faces. We’re all oppressed. We can’t endure this anymore."
She described seeing blood and bodies on the streets, and how she tries to calm her siblings when they hear explosions by telling them the sounds are from a “wedding ceremony”, that they are “normal”.
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Doctors say they have almost nothing to give the stream of new casualties - water is rationed to 300ml (10fl oz) a day for patients.
Refugees get nothing.
I don't think we'll ever know what happened to the (minimum) ~10-20,000 about to die, since there will be no news allowed. Killed by dehydration or strikes or bullets, etc
A spokeswoman for the UN Palestinian refugee agency, UNRWA, said 14 staff members, mainly teachers, have been killed and the number increases as Israeli airstrikes continue almost uninterrupted.
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Rahaf, who is now in Khan Younis, said: "There is no clean water. There’s no water to even wash our faces. We’re all oppressed. We can’t endure this anymore."
She described seeing blood and bodies on the streets, and how she tries to calm her siblings when they hear explosions by telling them the sounds are from a “wedding ceremony”, that they are “normal”.
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Doctors say they have almost nothing to give the stream of new casualties - water is rationed to 300ml (10fl oz) a day for patients.
Refugees get nothing.
I don't think we'll ever know what happened to the (minimum) ~10-20,000 about to die, since there will be no news allowed. Killed by dehydration or strikes or bullets, etc
So one of my colleagues at work was threatened with a disciplinary because he posted the Amnesty link saying Israel is an apartheid state on Linked In (he's actually on the site I posted above). It's a really fecked up situation we're in.It was a dark joke when somebody in this thread asked if this is talked about at work - I don't want to be fired in a day
I'm sure I've seen your posts argue otherwise in a thread - can't remember which one specifically, but it was talking about Laura Kuenssberg and her handling of Boris, the pandemic and the BBC chairman who donated like £600k to BoJo.
But fair enough - you think BBC is impartial.
How do you see it? When I open the link it's an empty page.
Anyways, all this talk of Hamas supporters at protests, does anyone check for anti-Arab chanting that happens in Pro-Israel demonstrations? I'm sure they don't obviously check and are instead fully focused on finding 1 or 2 amongst thousands at Pro-Palestinian protests.
It was working for me earlier - it basically has a list of different organisations and names / Linked In pages of those individuals who have posted something pro-Palestinian.
There's two black women who have a pic of paragliders on their shoulder. You're basing your assertion on that.
Jeremy Corbyn has literally 0 relevance to the point you're making. Did Jeremy Corbyn calling Hamas friends lead to 150,000 being in support of Palestine?
From the River to the Sea is not an extremist position. It's not about Israel, it's about Palestinians being free from the river to the sea. You're just regurgitating hasbara misinformation and deflective nonsense.
I wouldn't mind if someone'd DDOS that thing. Disgusting.
“Fairly balanced overall” was the phrase I used, to be precise. Certainly a hell of a lot more balanced than you’d think if you listened to the more hysterical critics on Twitter (and on here)
THIS IS THE ONLY SOURCE, SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
Seen this shared a lot since morning, but wanted to hold off on posting it till a different source posted it. So far, nothing. Which is why the disclaimer at the top. On the other hand, I saw at least a few Israelis (who should be able to detect a gross forgery, but probably not a sophisticated one) did retweet, so that gave it some percent more credibility.
I was confused about what she said about police, the reply I got was that maybe the kidnappers thought that the police would let them use the hostages as human shields, and so wanted them around, not the army, which would shoot both the hostages and Hamas (which is what this interview claims did happen)
It does suggest a very Russian attitude to hostages, and is line with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
Seen this shared a lot since morning, but wanted to hold off on posting it till a different source posted it. So far, nothing. Which is why the disclaimer at the top. On the other hand, I saw at least a few Israelis (who should be able to detect a gross forgery, but probably not a sophisticated one) did retweet, so that gave it some percent more credibility.
I was confused about what she said about police, the reply I got was that maybe the kidnappers thought that the police would let them use the hostages as human shields, and so wanted them around, not the army, which would shoot both the hostages and Hamas (which is what this interview claims did happen)
It does suggest a very Russian attitude to hostages, and is line with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
Yes these two women supported Hamas. I don't suppose they were the only ones. Clearly not since Jeremy Corbyn was there.
What do you suppose 'Palestinians will be free from the river to the sea' means? It means the destruction of Israel. Just as 'greater Israel' means the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in the same area. Let's not pretend. How do you suppose either goal would be achieved without a huge level of violence of the kind we are now seeing on both sides? It can't.
Speaking of work sackingsIt was a dark joke when somebody in this thread asked if this is talked about at work - I don't want to be fired in a day
Steve Bell sacked by Guardian in antisemitism row over Netanyahu cartoon - BBC News
Here's the cartoon in question in case anyone was wondering:
Bell said he based his cartoon on this cartoon of LBJ from the 60s, which riffed off a picture of Johnson showing off an operation scar (the image on his body in the cartoon is South Vietnam):Speaking of work sackings
Steve Bell sacked by Guardian in antisemitism row over Netanyahu cartoon - BBC News
Here's the cartoon in question in case anyone was wondering:
Yea, I didn't think it was antisemitic anyway and that's despite not even seeing this pic of LBJ (thanks for sharing).Bell said he based his cartoon on this cartoon of LBJ from the 60s:
We're living in a time where the pro-Israelis will take any criticism coming their way, twist it to make it antisemitic, and tar it with that same brush.
Speaking of work sackings
Steve Bell sacked by Guardian in antisemitism row over Netanyahu cartoon - BBC News
Here's the cartoon in question in case anyone was wondering:
What an insane stretch to fire him for that.
I have come to realise all lives are not equal, some lives are more equal than others. My biggest gripe is the fact the west are so scared to hold Israel accountable. Unconscionable how the world have allowed these injustice to fester. You can see how misguided youths can take to terrorism when they feel a sense of injustice.
I am still lost how Israel think they can achieve peace without addressing the Palestinian problem, perhaps the plan is to exterminate and send all Palestinians to the Sinai dessert or Jordan River.
I am still lost how Israel think they can achieve peace without addressing the Palestinian problem, perhaps the plan is to exterminate and send all Palestinians to the Sinai dessert or Jordan River.
Bell said he based his cartoon on this cartoon of LBJ from the 60s, which riffed off a picture of Johnson showing off an operation scar (the image on his body in the cartoon is South Vietnam):
It does have a bit of a Shylock vibe until he gives it the LBJ context. Mad that they would press on with getting rid of him after he gave that explanation. They’re obviously crazy paranoid about publishing anything which might be perceived as antisemitic but apart from anything else you’d think he has a case for unfair dismissal? Or maybe that doesn’t apply if he’s just a contract worker?
Someone at my university lost her job offer.
This guy is/was the editor of a journal which he had taken in an innovative and unique direction. Pretty widely praised, or at least talked about changed to peer review and transparency.
He retweeted an Onion article, got dogpiled, left twitter, and is now under investigation from the journal.
There's some tech guy being hounded endlessly for absolutely baseline anodyne stuff.
And I remember half this forum was in favour of non-anonymous social media... Jose's "if i speak", unironically.
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Found a reply:
Could not find the website referred to, google translate wasn't very useful.
Interesting "debate" between Piers Morgan and Mohammed Hijab. On YouTube. Don't know how to embed
That post is a little hard to follow. Someone is going to get sacked for retweeting an onion article? Seriously?!
Oh and “some tech guy” is a very well known (in Ireland) bell end conspiracy theorist with a huge fecking mouth and an ego the size of a planet.
Incredibly sketchy to sack him for that when the Rowson cartoon was so much worse. However Bell has got previous on this and has a bit of a Corbynista rep on Israel, so hard to feel too sorry for him. Hard to say this one was anti-Semitic though.
Reality is Guardian had basically already dropped him I think. They didn't sack him, they're just not renewing his contract.
I don't mean to be snide, but that has always been the case, everywhere. I get people being upset at 'the West' (as if that's any more of a homogeneous group than something like 'The Arab world' for it's hypocrisy, but ultimately human nature doesn't change. If anyone expects human rights and so on to take priority over political reality when push comes to shove, I'm sorry to say you've been fooled.
European countries have absolutely no mandate from their voters to do anything about this other than as a support actor to whatever the US decides to do. We can't even handle our own security these days, and people expect us to try to solve this nightmare of a conflict by putting serious pressure on our ally, the Jewish nation state, which we helped create because of Germany's crimes? I hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
I don't know anything about the tech guy, but his posts (the ones getting tons of angry replies) were very basic stuff. Apart from the one I posted, there was one with a chart of Israeli and Palestinian deaths from 2005 onwards. Don't know if there was something else triggering people, but those are the ones I saw.
I do know the bio guy, since he is a pioneer in open access publishing and new ways of peer review, and has been talked about a lot in my lab for those things.
He did not post anything at all about the attack or the bombing till a few days in (maybe 2 days ago?), when he retweeted this Onion article. While his account was up, I saw a lot of academics (seemingly a lot of Israeli academics) in the comments, very very angry (ISIS, anti-semite, Kapo), many tagging his journal (eLife). He then posted (my paraphrase) that he deplores all loss of life. He got another barrage. That was the last I saw, next time his account was gone and this was going viral (now getting pushback from the other side) -