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Ekkie Thump said:
Do you mean the video or the idea that they're paying google to advertise it?
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That they are broadcasting it. I believe that you can actually check if a video is on googles advertising network though, so you could confirm/deny that. (I don't know how)
 
Red the Bear said:
Then I probably got the wrong impression due my biased online engagements.

They definitely care, internet and television has been flooded with pro Israeli propaganda, at least more than I remember being the case in the likes of 2014 and such.
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From Israel itself, or from western media and allies supportive of Israel? This is different from 2014, because the world sees it as a proportional response, and understands there isn't another option for them.
 
adexkola said:
Considering that in one of my posts I explicitly mentioned that no matter your viewpoint, you should come home from a rave alive...
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Yeah, that closing line was uncalled for. It wasn’t victim blaming. Apologies. Just felt grubby to be speculating about the politics of a bunch of kids who’d just been gunned down when they’d left their homes to go out and dance.
 
owlo said:
From Israel itself, or from western media and allies supportive of Israel? This is different from 2014, because the world sees it as a proportional response, and understands there isn't another option for them.
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Not sure how accurate this is.

Just to clarify yes the media seems to be showing this stance the be true, from ministers politicians etc

However on the ground I've heard mostly the opposite. And yes this isn't written in stone and just my own experience. I work with people from different backgrounds and they have almost always had some kind of gesture for world events. So a silence before a meeting etc. This time no one has mentioned it, as in a minutes silence but many have spoken about the "response" and it's mainly been negative.
 
owlo said:
From Israel itself, or from western media and allies supportive of Israel? This is different from 2014, because the world sees it as a proportional response, and understands there isn't another option for them.
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I wouldn't say they're exactly the same but surely they're somewhat connected, for example I would be seriously surprised to find out the Israeli government has no input on say AIPAC.
 
Roane said:
Not sure how accurate this is.

Just to clarify yes the media seems to be showing this stance the be true, from ministers politicians etc

However on the ground I've heard mostly the opposite. And yes this isn't written in stone and just my own experience. I work with people from different backgrounds and they have almost always had some kind of gesture for world events. So a silence before a meeting etc. This time no one has mentioned it, as in a minutes silence but many have spoken about the "response" and it's mainly been negative.
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I'll clarify; the worlds governments and militaries see it as such. And polling has showed increased support from Israel, compared to the previous months/weeks. (Especially in the US)
 
owlo said:
I'll clarify; the worlds governments and militaries see it as such. And polling has showed increased support from Israel, compared to the previous months/weeks. (Especially in the US)
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Western governments is most accurate imo
 
cyberman said:
Of course they know what the plan is, they just don’t want to admit to knowing it
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Not necessarily.

Don't underestimate the shock of the first attack on israelian soil in history and the scale of it. They're not exactly acting with cool heads right now, you can hear and see it. They're going in first with the intention of killing any Hamas member (how remains to be seen) and rescuing the hostages they can find, all of it under a huge time constraint. Also probably negotiating with the Hamas through backchannels (Dubai and Egypt) for an exchange hostages/prisoners. There's no other plan at the moment.

It will all depend on how the invasion goes.
 
That_Bloke said:
Not necessarily.

Don't underestimate the shock of the first attack on israelian soil in history and the scale of it. They're not exactly acting with cool heads right now, you can hear and see it. They're going in first with the intention of killing any Hamas member (how remains to be seen) and rescuing the hostages they can find, all of it under a huge time constraint. There's no other plan at the moment.

It will all depend on how the invasion goes.
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He's intimating that the obvious Israeli aim is just to destroy and displace every Palestinian and claim the land for themselves.
 
owlo said:
Probably, though even in the Arab world governments have been pretty naunced about it all, including the PLO and Hezbollah.
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I would say majority don't see it as a proportional response.
 
Israeli bombs have killed a few of the hostages taken by Hamas.

Source LBC

Anyone know anymore about this?
 
You don’t hear a lot about the hostages, do you? I haven’t seen anything about them being rescued, released, or killed.

Hard to know if that is good news or bad. Hamas threatened executions at one point, but doesn’t seem like they have followed through - at least not publicly.

Must be absolute torture for the families.
 
Mike Smalling said:
You don’t hear a lot about the hostages, do you? I haven’t seen anything about them being rescued, released, or killed.

Hard to know if that is good news or bad. Hamas threatened executions at one point, but doesn’t seem like they have followed through - at least not publicly.

Must be absolute torture for the families.
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Allegedly, 13 of them have died in Gaza due to Israel’s indiscriminate bombings.
 
Mike Smalling said:
You don’t hear a lot about the hostages, do you? I haven’t seen anything about them being rescued, released, or killed.

Hard to know if that is good news or bad. Hamas threatened executions at one point, but doesn’t seem like they have followed through - at least not publicly.

Must be absolute torture for the families.
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James O'Brien on LBC yesterday said 13 hostages had been killed.

Killed by Isareli bombing of Gaza.
 
Over 600 children killed in gaza. Many more injured, many buried under rubble. A children's hospital bombed.

Some truly horrific images and videos of babies and children injured in the bombings on twitter. Also a video which autoplayed on my twitter feed, that i never want to see ever again. They should take that image from that horrific video and post it on the front page of every newspaper in the world. Then hopefully the idiots in charge on both sides can see the consequences of their mindless violence.

Absolute fecking madness. 47% of the population are children. Thats over 1 million children in a population of 2.5mil. What did the innocent children do to deserve this? Be born into the wrong religion in the wrong country?

Sigh. Humanity, we are a virus on this planet. Destroying everything we touch....
 
One thing that's continually amazing me, is how pro Palestinian the pro war Russians are and how aligned their propaganda is. Somebody is going to get a good thesis in the future over the proliferation of Russian misinformation in this conflict.
 
owlo said:
One thing that's continually amazing me, is how pro Palestinian the pro war Russians are and how aligned their propaganda is. Somebody is going to get a good thesis in the future over the proliferation of Russian misinformation in this conflict.
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It's hardly surprising considering the Israelis are a regional extension of the US.
 


This post largely echoes my views, though I disagree with the last bit. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of either Iran or Russia actively involved in the attack.
 
owlo said:
One thing that's continually amazing me, is how pro Palestinian the pro war Russians are and how aligned their propaganda is. Somebody is going to get a good thesis in the future over the proliferation of Russian misinformation in this conflict.
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Are you talking about social media users, or official channels? In a war of attention, this whole situation is probably useful for Russia. All Western eyes are on Israel now, so less focus on Ukraine. Then there's the fact that Israel is a NATO ally. Whether that translates into anything tangible, I don't know.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Are you talking about social media users, or official channels? In a war of attention, this whole situation is probably useful for Russia. All Western eyes are on Israel now, so less focus on Ukraine. Then there's the fact that Israel is a NATO ally. Whether that translates into anything tangible, I don't know.
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Small scale polls by region, largely aged 25-45 and computer gamers. Around 1000 participants total. ('payment' for poll participation can be done without violating sanctions.) I'm only talking about 100 or so, but have seen multiple allusions to [sometimes paraphrased instead of direct translation] 'typical zombies' 'not clear who financed the terrorism' 'israel has abolished all the rules of war, if we did that there would be a scandal' 'the usa is behind it' 'we have monuments to dead children in donbas but the world doesnt care about them' 'the usa approve of killing some children but not others' 'the terrorists had no other choice' 'you are blaming russia and iran for all your troubles' 'you [the west] think they are just stupid terrorists and they do it because of religion.' There's also already tens of memes showing evil Israel next to little russia and palestine.

Whereas those who don't support putin and the war are more nuanced, with a range of emotions like in this thread.

I agree. I think their internet and media trolls are in overtime but I think they're just taking advantage to sow discord.
 
owlo said:
One thing that's continually amazing me, is how pro Palestinian the pro war Russians are and how aligned their propaganda is. Somebody is going to get a good thesis in the future over the proliferation of Russian misinformation in this conflict.
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Yeah I've noticed a strange overlap like that too. I mentioned yesterday that the Lowkey account that gets shared on here has been at best turning a blind eye to Russia's invasion and war crimes in Ukraine and at worst justifying it by smearing Ukrainians. There's a journalist who has been verifying video footage going viral and he has had a field day of having to clarify that footage claiming to be of Israel bombing buildings to rubble in Gaza but actually it is footage of Russia bombing buildings to rubble Ukraine and a lot of those accounts probably didn't know the difference because they have been cheerleading the Russians all along.
 
In spite of the overwhelming propaganda and blackmail going on, there are still many in Europe willing to manifest to oppose mass murder and ethnic cleansing. (Even though it might be mostly Muslims -who probably wouldn’t care as much about other cases of ethnic cleansing-)

 
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