People will start to realise that the adults are not in charge and that things are more like The Thick of It when it comes to politics.
Don't worry, Andrew Neil "is well connected"
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People will start to realise that the adults are not in charge and that things are more like The Thick of It when it comes to politics.
Don't worry, Andrew Neil "is well connected"
Even if Israel is able to get rid of Hamas leaders, chances are even more radical leaders emerge. This blockade and attack on Gaza will further radicalize even the moderate ones, and apart from Hamas, they dont have any political alternatives, as PLO is seen as being in Israel's pockets, so chances are that Israel might end up creating a worse successor.
What you do after ridding Gaza of them counts, it cannot be the same as before, it has to change and democracy and kindness will remove the will of groups to try to replicate Hamas
It's a member of parliament calling for the use of nukes, it's an extremely relevant thing to post. Your continued attempts to police this thread, and what you prioritize calling out, are bizarre.
What an asshole. Sitting savely in Qatar giving orders.
By the way: Has Qatar condemnded the actions from Hamas yet? Are there any official statements coming out from them? How influencial (especially financially) are they to Hamas?
Almost 350 000 people displaced in Gaza so far, and growing. I really hope Israel and the world at large has a plan for what to do once all of this is over.
The West will stand idly by as a massive genocide will take place. It was already going on, but at a slower pace before the weekend.
Qatar blames Israel for everything.
Yeah, on reflection it was a fair thing to post.
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Tried to post this yesterday but didn't get the format right.
But yea, spinless cowards these people.
That would be nice, but where would plan have come from? A week ago no-one thought this would happen, and everyone was happy to let the status quo go on. You don't just conjure up a plan to rehouse hundreds of thousands in a few days.
Jesus, I had no idea who this guy was. fecking hell. Having a mare this morning. Time to sit this out for a while.I see Pedro Gonzalez is trying to launder his image.
(the original post about the Hamas leader is valid though I suppose).
I have no idea. They can't just leave Gazans with nothing after invading - that would be a huge security risk (as well as a humanitarian catastrophe).
It's unrealistic, but I would hope that the US and Saudi could get Israel to the table with the PLO - who isn't part of this war - and find a long term solution for the west bank and the inevitably annexed Gaza.
It's nice to see that the only this Labour and The Tories can agree on is not letting people in Gaza have water or power.
This is fecking insane.
This is fecking insane.
Don't worry, this is an obscure rando that only people who spent way too much time on fringe twitter know about (me).
Yeah that is medieval and I hope privately Israels allies are calling for an end to it.
If by "they" you mean Israel, I expect that's exactly what they are going to do. They want Hamas destroyed, and are willing to displace every single person in the Gaza strip, if that's what it takes. I don't expect them to play Good Samaritans once the dust has settled.
Thanks very much, I'm safe for now. will only be in real danger if Hezbollah joins in for real.
Until then, I live relatively far from the action and only worry about people I know who are there fighting.
I really hope that your acquaintances are OK. I fear for them.
I think I really really had a need to engage in conversation, get things off my chest,
say (even if virtually) things I can't say out loud to family and friends right now because everyone seems to have hardened themselves so much.
I haven't been able to work for the past 2-3 days. Been constantly watching the news sites and being here also.
I think it has run its course for now, and I'll do my best to stay away from the internet as best as I can.
Discussing the atrocities has and will take its toll on me,
and while things are going to get much much worse, especially for the Palestinians,
I'd like to distance myself from it.
Hope you guys stay safe, wherever you are.
Thanks very much for being some sort of a support group
I'll probably keep reading this thread from time to time as it's probably stronger than me,
but I'd like to think that not posting will be beneficial at least to some extent.
@owlo @Amir stay safe, physically and mentally, as much as possible
Yes to show just how some people in positions of authority have lost their common sense and objectivity.
Israel has now linked the cutting off of electricity, food and water to the release of Israeli hostages. Given the bombing of the Rafah crossing it seems that Israeli policy is now to hold the entire Gazan population hostage until that happens.
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Hope all of you guys outhere, your friends, families and loved ones stay safe during this horrific conflict.Thanks very much, I'm safe for now. will only be in real danger if Hezbollah joins in for real.
Until then, I live relatively far from the action and only worry about people I know who are there fighting.
I really hope that your acquaintances are OK. I fear for them.
I think I really really had a need to engage in conversation, get things off my chest,
say (even if virtually) things I can't say out loud to family and friends right now because everyone seems to have hardened themselves so much.
I haven't been able to work for the past 2-3 days. Been constantly watching the news sites and being here also.
I think it has run its course for now, and I'll do my best to stay away from the internet as best as I can.
Discussing the atrocities has and will take its toll on me,
and while things are going to get much much worse, especially for the Palestinians,
I'd like to distance myself from it.
Hope you guys stay safe, wherever you are.
Thanks very much for being some sort of a support group
I'll probably keep reading this thread from time to time as it's probably stronger than me,
but I'd like to think that not posting will be beneficial at least to some extent.
@owlo @Amir stay safe, physically and mentally, as much as possible
Do Palestine have nukes?
there were already 1.7million refugees in gaza before this escalated these past few days.
Really hope a humanitarian corridor can be opened and innocent civilians can be moved out (egypt?!?). Also vital supplies for hospitals can be brought in.
It's the "thoughts and prayers" GOP style when it comes to the Palestinians. So it's basically doesn't mean anything
Excellent post. Thanks for sharing.
Their MO is making sure nobody fecks with them
You hit them with a fist, they'll come back with a bat
You hit them with a bat, they'll come back with a gun
And if you shoot him you better make sure he's dead, or he's gonna keep coming back
The main point is setting a precedent that you don't mess with Israel or you'll pay a high price.
I hate to say it, but I think so far it work. If there's not much of actual attack against Israel, it's not out of peace but knowing they'd hit hard if you mess with them.
I hope that if Israel decides to enter Gaza, they prioritize the well-being and safety of civilians. This shouldn't be about revenge. The welfare of innocent people should always be at the forefront and I hope Israel does this in a way that shows that they are better than terrorists. I have fears that this will become ugly though.
I'll say it again, but you are aware that one side of this is a 3rd world 'country', under apartheid, being essentially run by terrorists(but with millions of innocent people living there), whereas the other is a 1st world country with enormous wealth? It's pretty concerning when the latter are talking about nuking the former.
Very good thread. Unfortunately I don’t know what breaks this cycle.
I actually posted a retraction to my comment further up the thread, the original post was indeed relevant and worth sharing here.
I may disagree with some of your points, but yes, this was a disgraceful verbal escalation. Although obviously they're not going to nuke a territory literally next door to them for numerous reasons, we need cool and compassionate heads now, not idiots like this.
They need to get humanitarian aid in to Gaza immediately
Last I read, a humanitarian corridor through rafah was being negotiated, but only 2000 civilians would be allowed over the border .
Fair play, yes, the fact that supposedly highly educated people are even throwing stuff like that out is extremely worrying, regardless of the feasibility or likelihood.
Ironic given we don't hear a peep from him when it's the Palestinians being killed and occupied.
I do love this logic from Israel and it's supporters.
"Sir, we've killed all the Hamas members!"
"Congrats everyone! Job well done!"
"Though Sir, we've also gone on and killed 2000 other civilians not associated with Hamas, including plenty of children"
"Oh don't worry, let's not think about the dead's family members and what they might be feeling as well. Party time!"