The Corinthian
I will not take Mad Winger's name in vain
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I'm referencing the creation of the state of Israel in 1947 - it stemmed from European guilt over what happened to Jews in Nazi Germany (although there had been a Zionist agenda that preceded that).I honestly don't think we have much say in the matter anymore. 'We' destroyed ourselves and our position in the world fighting ourselves. The US and Israel will do what they do no matter what a few failing former empires in Europe think about it.
I've mentioned previously in this thread on how framing this as a religious dispute isn't accurate (although undoubtedly a factor) and how it is more on land and geography. There is a sizeable orthodox Jewish movement for the removal of the state of Israel, there are evangelical Christians for the state of Israel, there are Palestinian Christians that are erased from the discourse, as well as Israeli Arabs that are pushing for a 2 state solution.Genuine answer, an ongoing advert for why no one should follow any religion and it certainly should have no influence in politics.
The idea that guilt had anything to do with the creation of Israel is naive though - commercial and political gain are always the main drivers and this situation now is a knock on effect from the long battles between the great European empires of old.
The guilt point still stands though and although I agree there will always be commercial and political gain from the reshaping of the world in WW1 & 2, the overall message was that land that wasn't theirs to give was given to the Jewish diaspora at the expense of the native civilisation. So again, it goes back to my original question on why Palestinians should pay the price for European guilt.
I don't think you're asking the right question or drawing the right conclusion here.Is there a need for a Jewish state?
In my lifetime I've seen Jews blamed for everything from wealth inequality to genocide to the proliferation of blacked, cuckold and sissy hypnotism porn online. There is an irrational attitude towards Jewish people and having a safe harbour is needed, in my view.
Should Jewish people be allowed to live free of harm? Of course.
Is the right of a Jew greater than that of a Palestinian? Of course not.
If a Jewish state needed to be created due to genocide on European soil, why should it come at the expense of people unconnected to WW2?