Yet the Zionist claim to israel dates back to pre barbarian times.
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Yet the Zionist claim to israel dates back to pre barbarian times.
@DickDastardly Yep. If that happened, Israel would have been geopolitically outplayed, and it would be the end of the Jewish state. Whats 'right' doesn't come into it; it is what it is.
Unless they tried to kill all the jews at the same time, that would be that.
One of the major news networks where I live also quoted the @sentdefender Twitter account. It was kind of eye opening to witness that kind of influence from such accounts.
If you don't think that Germany suffered, you need to check your history books. Every Axis power suffered, and rightly so.
Indeed, but without trying to get-out of terrible history lessons, the US/etc., literally prevented Jewish ships from docking during the Holocaust and, in the US case, sold the Nazi regime much of the weaponry used against the Jewish population.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/ibm-nazis-ww2
I don't dispute that tribal Palestine leaders "sided" with the Nazis over the British (over the Jewish settlers) (two scales almost), only that we really miss the point wherein putting it on the agenda now has no real merit. IBM, various European companies, were literally complicit in the Holocaust and no one is laying the blame at IBM's doorstep.
I.e., throughout the actual Holocaust IBM knowingly advanced it for profit margins.
Just as there were Jewish people work for Hitler. WW2 was bad, we know that already.
What is worse, plotting since the late 1800's to colonise another peoples country which inevitably would lead to mass murder.
Nothing justifies the israeli govt terrorists sniping off young children playing games on their rooftop.
Nothing justifies the mass imprisonment of 2.3.million people in Gaza under the land air sea blockade of the israeli govt.
I assume people writing this kind of stuff are aware of how unique the Israel/Palestine situation is and just want to prod a hornet's nest.
It certainly is. It's European guilt.
It is - but I'd like to hear what you think is going on, chap.
What about the Egyptians? What's their responsibility in this?
Yes they did. You're possibly right. I meant it was on the agenda in 1947, where the defeated powers were punished. The Palestinians were possibly mainly punished for being against the British, not because of the Jews. I don't know enough about that bit of history to do anything but speculate.
I think you're right that it's not relevant to the situation today; but in the formation of Israel I think it was.
You're also right that a lot of the victors were complicit and got no comeuppance.
In a thread of constant idiotic and frankly bizarre takes from yourself, this is up there. Amin Al Husseini has literally no influence on Nazi ideology, and any interactions were purely strategic (re: the enemy of my enemy is my friend).
Universities use the game of RISK to teach international relations.
Part of the problem with modern day politics and geopolitics - people think it's a game or that such a thing as "just war theory" is anything other than ridiculous. It was said in this thread, years ago, that this very Palestinian response would come, could not be considered just, but could not be anything other than understood. I.e., just war theory is bullshit.
Do they employ Kramer and Newman?
Complicit. However, the president is a military dictator, probably the most brutal and repressive since 52.
There wouldn't be a blockade if the Egyptian people could actually elect their own leaders.
With what rules for reinforcements? Standard same card 4,6,10 or?
Zionists have stopped all food, electricity and water going in to Gaza.
Thoughts with the people of Gaza…hopefully some the spineless Arab nations step up now (never happen I know)
Thoughts with the people of Gaza…hopefully some the spineless Arab nations step up now (never happen I know)
I honestly don't think we have much say in the matter anymore. 'We' destroyed ourselves and our position in the world fighting ourselves. The US and Israel will do what they do no matter what a few failing former empires in Europe think about it.
I laughed.
Genuine answer, an ongoing advert for why no one should follow any religion and it certainly should have no influence in politics.
The idea that guilt had anything to do with the creation of Israel is naive though - commercial and political gain are always the main drivers and this situation now is a knock on effect from the long battles between the great European empires of old.
Yes.
Of course Israel was an imposition on Palestinians. Of course Palestinians have a right to fight. Of course a desperate people fleeing annihilation jumped at the offer of their own nation and of course they fought for it with all their might. Herein lies the intractability of the problem.
As to my implication. Historically the goal of Palestine and all surrounding Arab nations was for Israel to cease to exist. The existential nature of the fight has helped inform the current position. Now, the picture is mixed - Fatah recognises Israel to some degree but its ultimate destruction remains the stated goal of Hamas and it is on the latter that Israel have now declared war.
This is not to say I support Israeli policy either. I find the manner that Israel has dealt with Palestine and the Palestinians to be unconscionable; the constant land grabs, the establishment of a cruel, inhuman system of apartheid, the total isolation of Gaza. Hamas is very much a Frankenstein's monster of Israeli policy and the current horror itself an outburst from the conditions Israel has seen fit to impose. I'm not seeking to minimise Israeli culpability, what I am doing is suggesting that easy comparisons between Palestine and Ukraine aren't that useful.
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Is there a need for a Jewish state?
In my lifetime I've seen Jews blamed for everything from wealth inequality to genocide to the proliferation of blacked, cuckold and sissy hypnotism porn online. There is an irrational attitude towards Jewish people and having a safe harbour is needed, in my view.
Israel answers with its own barbarism. And that is probably only the beginning, it will get much worse when they march in with hundreds of thousands troops. All of this because both sides can't forget the past and look to the future how to make a better place to live in. Imagine european countries would still kill each other for things done in the past. Both world wars brought so much misery and death the Middle East would need to fight another 2000 years to get close to it probably, but still the european countries put everything aside for their future generations and started to create a better world to live in.
Religious fanatics on both sides heat up the hatred on a daily basis also doesn't help of course. Let's see if we live to see the day they realize the current way only brings more misery.
OK.
So, the easy solution would be to finance Fatah and destroy Hamas.
Put a more reasonable government in Israel.
And do a new piece treaty?
Biden is too old for that shit.
Wasn't it only a few guys they gave?
Also: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...lunteers/0000017f-db14-d856-a37f-ffd4017f0000
Question, does Israel not wish to annihilate Palestine?
Have Ukraine mounted an attack into Russia and massacred 100s of civilians? Parading them around.
No, they fecking haven't.
Israel deserves to be hit hard just like Russia in terms of military equipment and people sure but the minute you resort to mass murdering civilians in bomb shelters, at a fecking rave. You lose all sympathy there is no justification, zero for those atrocities.
Bomb the IDF, it's tanks, no mercy certainly but those trying to justify these terror attacks need to give their fecking head a wobble.
Hamas deserves zero mercy. If ISIS fought against Russia and China would we be having fecking muppets justifying their existence.
Holy hell.
Throughout history, the remodelling of frontiers or birth or countries have always been dictated by the "right" of the strongest, no matter how much one wants to butter it up. If you're the strongest, your land grab stands. If not, it backfires. The Ukrainian war is no exception. Many are shocked or angry about it because Europe went on about 75 years without borders being changed (leaving the relatively bloodless fall of the Iron Wall aside), but the fact is that in other parts of the worlds this shit's still been going on and always will.
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They lost their empires, if you want to be more specific.
There is no easy solution. There is an "only solution". Withdraw entirely from the WB, ensure PA can govern, without intentional undercutting/undermining, and then use the Arab League to pressure the Palestinians to hold up to their end (with Russia/China keeping Iranian proxies in check). The hard part is that requires Israel to actually withdraw from a series of illegal settlements which includes much of Jerusalem. That is the only peace deal to be had here. All else will fail.
Everything not in red, in WB, is precisely why Fatah has lost ground via intentional Israeli undermining of the PA's mandate to exist/govern. It can take 12 hours, or days, to go from one part of the WB, north, say, to another (south). That is not any kind of reasonable outcome of the Oslo accords or any negotiations thereafter. It's apartheid.
The UK football team did a Nazi salute, does that mean the UK is complicit?
The Daily Mail was backing the Nazis as well. Again it's an odd reading into history and then claiming the region and people are complicit. It's a (I believe) deliberate misreading.
Not sure but I think it's increasingly becoming the defacto policy. Put it this way - I don't think Netanyahu would be unhappy were it to bleed to death.
Still, Gaza is being bombarded, a ground invasion is coming, and the only Arab country that can provide any form of relief isn't willing to open its borders.
I understand that they don't want 2.5 million refugees permanently making Egypt their home, but where's their compassion?
Israel as a matter of policy does not. However, a lot of people within the knesset believe that Israel can never be safe as long as Palestine exists.
Sure there’s antisemitism but criticism of Isreal is not antisemitism.
This is genocide.
Given the scale of what's coming, I predict Hezbollah involvement, on scale, by the end of the week.
btw, if the US is seen as aiding Israel beyond a certain point, which is expected, they are dead in that region for the next century.
They won't do anything more than provide defensive support, logistics and intelligence gathering. They aren't getting bogged down in a war with Hamas and Hizzbollah, or running bombing raids on Gaza and Southern Lebanon.