Has anyone discussed that it was Putin's birthday today (yesterday in Europe and beyond to the East)? I don't think this is a coincidence with the date of the attack.
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Hamas are already winners in their minds. This was their Champions League trophy. For them, it doesn't matter so much what happens next. There is no point looking for rational explanations when you are faced with fanatics, especially with religious fanatics like Hamas, ISIS, Taliban, etc.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-day-israel-changed-forever?ref=scroll
Apartheid aside, looks like Israeli intelligence, military, and their civilian leaders fecked up massively. You can almost guarantee part of the response will be overcorrecting for the massive SNAFU
Apartheid aside, looks like Israeli intelligence, military, and their civilian leaders fecked up massively. You can almost guarantee part of the response will be overcorrecting for the massive SNAFU
Agreed.
Poor timing and, especially, poor optics. It's not a coincidence that almost no serious Western politician spoke about Palestinians today of all days.
Agreed. The Israelis will treat this as their 9/11 - Pearl Harbor and will go in with overwhelming force, which will probably end up with them being criticized for being too heavy handed.
Case in point: this happened yesterday
It's been so normalized and accepted.
That's just cowardice by politicians afraid to be seen to say the wrong thing, as far as I'm concerned. To me there shouldn't be anything wrong with expressing sympathy for any and all civilian casualties and to say so is a little odd to me.
Have you seen what he said by the way?
I looked and can't find any specific reference to Palestinian civilians.
All I can find is this on Twitter which is quite measured and doesn't seem to fit your description:
Can't help but feel this is all a little convenient for Netanyahu again. It has shades of something a Putin would do to distract from the internal criticisms of taking a country into dictatorship. A political game as old as time. Sure some corners are criticizing him for the lapse in security but I have no faith he won't turn this into his favor. Hopefully the opposition in Israel will use this to their advantage and put an end to what he's trying to do internally.
That video of the dead woman is absolutely disgusting btw.
What a shit show again.
That video of the dead woman is absolutely disgusting btw.
What a shit show again.
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This government likely would but I think that would make it worse. It could be there 9/11 both in terms of their reaction and the failure of it.
It is stunning how much they've been caught by surprise. I don't think he'll be able to survive it though. If a far right leader can't even keep his people safe, what good is he? "Netanyahu was busy with his legal problems and didn't pay attention to Hamas" seems like such an easy attack line for the opposition.
Let me get this straight., so 200 plus Israeli citizens should die because of the governments faults? Great stuff man, that’s so logical. It’s going to lead to peace, right? Parading the German girls dead body around, how’s that going to do anything either?
Sergej Sumlenny takes the gloves off...
It is really quite astonishing and shameless how rapidly people on the right of the spectrum are turning this into a left vs right culture war item. And yes im aware he's anti Putin.
That explains it then. It's just the annual Hamas killing spree to celebrate Putin's birthday.
I chuckled.
I went through his timeline and not one tweet he could spare ( saw about 30 and gave up) for the victims of today’s barbaric attack. Says a lot about the person.
Saw a tweet earlier about a retired IDF general complaining that the vast majority of the army had been moved into the West Bank to protect the ever-expanding settlements and left the area around Gaza undermanned. He's a vocal Bibi critic, but, if what he says is accurate, it's entirely because of the far right government.
And they won't care. After both Pearl Harbor (internship of Japanese) and 9/11 (invasions) they took drastic action, and the majority of the population not only supported, but demanded it. In Israel this will be a signal that they have given Hamas too much freedom, and need correction. The Israeli government have already effectively fallen and we'll likely see a new one in 48 hours comprising a broad spectrum of opposition. They will commit many war crimes, and it'll be discussed for decades. But in the moment, most citizens will support it.
See above; gov is effectively dead. And he's right.
She held an Israeli passport and has pictures on her Instagram supporting the IDF, where she talks about remembering those killed by 'terrorist organizations'. As completely sad and unjustified it is for her to die and be paraded disgracefully, let's not lie and paint her as some foreigner who wanted peace with the music festival to try and entice people to stop supporting Palestine's cause.
That being said, the pictures are dated to 2016 so it could well be she changed her stance. Can't disregard that.
Let me guess, he's completely removed from the consequences of this and won't be dealing with the aftermath?
Quite poignant given her cause of death, and not an unfair point of view....
I think many (most) who support the existence of the Israeli state and their right to defend themselves, also support the Palestinian right to life and peace and freedom. It's a difficult needle to thread, and even more difficult to enunciate via social media. I'm aware I focus myself on actuality, and my social media reflects that. Facts are not kind to the Palestinian cause. But my heart supports the Palestinian right to freedom, and knows how shitty it is for those people. Nobody wants to see peoples homes ruined and missile strikes in urban places. I simply don't believe they have a path to such peace with or through Israel, and that the political aims of say Hamas, do not reflect their needs. That's hard to explain without being seen as 'pro israel/israeli shill.'
There's strong support for this action inside Gaza too. They see the incursion and the responses as disconnected; that Israel would do it to them anyway, and it'll just be more intensive for a bit.
Just a reminder of what life is like in Isreal and Gaza
I'd love to be more erudite and sophisticated but it really is both sides.
The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the most likely new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age.
So what should Israel do? Come on. Say it.
It really isn’t.
Well some fella said it here last night, they said Gaza deserves the Dresden treatment.
No? Both sides don't end up doing barbaric things?
In not talking about the situation
For the time being these type of clips will raise some sympathy, sure enough.
Once Gaza is flattened and the images from there start to emerge, Israel will have very little ground to stand on,
so far as spokesmanship goes.
Nobody will give a shit about some burned-down cars once the carnage/massacre begins.
I'm writing this as an Israeli Jew, by the way.
this entire land, or maybe Earth in general, should be wiped clean and start over.
Which they will do in a non barbaric way if course
I went through your posts in this thread and not one post could you spare for Palestinian victims of past Israeli attacks. Says a lot about a poster.
If you're going to criticise someone for being biased maybe try hide your own bias a little better.