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Don't think it too far off until we see drone-based acts of terror on a target like a stadium, etc. in the near future.
For Hamas it won't work because Israel is too strong. But they're being played by Iran anyways and for Iran, it works perfectly according to their plan. They force Israel into a long guerilla fight that costs billions, weakens them on a financial and social level and widens the rift even further in the region. Every effort to normalize relations to other muslim countries is destroyed and the Mullah regime grows stronger.
I agree. This feels like a 9/11 type situation in Israel. I don't think the leadership matters when the populace goes completely bloodthirsty. They are backed into a corner and can only be reined in should international partners choose to do so. There may be the question of low Nato ammo stocks etc, but gaza is quite tiny, and if they choose the level of brutality we expect, it will be over soon. They won't allow the sort of urban warfare that we see in Ukraine; they'll flatten it.
The hostage thing is somewhat interesting, but I feel we're going to see more Entebbe than negotiation.
They've been trying that for years. Israeli security is pretty good in that respect. Ordnance a problem too.
I'm talking worldwide.
A simple grenade or light ordnance dropped from a drone into the seats at an event would be like a mini-suicide bomb but with far less variables on the terrorist's end.
Yea you're right. ISIS as well as Ukraine and Russia use them, but luckily the average homegrown terrorist is too stupid. I assume they use drone dome at major events, but it's not great.
Of course they benefit greatly, their statement is no coincidence either. Every new problem for the western world that requires attention and financial help weakens the unity against Russia and actual help to Ukraine. Russia wants to overwhelm the west with wars and refugees so they can't focus on Ukraine. Putin doesn't even hide it when he talks about the Anglo-Saxon colonial rule being over.
So self ethnic cleansing in effect, with little pushes by Israel?
I thought you meant Russian atrocities in Ukraine, of which there is of course almost non stop coverage in the west.
Pretending that Lavrov is important or in the inner circle is naive. He's always hated Israel. Russia benefits from this chaos, but they also benefit from Israeli victory.
Correct. It is ethnic cleansing. Israel are in the wrong. But you asked what choice they have. And my belief is they have the same choice as refugees in any number of countries. Do you believe they have a better option?
And yes, Ukraine is the darling of the Western media as it's in Europe, on the doorsteps of NATO, and Russia is the foe. The same as Palestine gets airtime because it's an Arab priority and result of colonial power play. Objectively there are sadly many worse things happening in the world, which the west just doesn't care about. (Except to say NO REFUGEES, GO AWAY AND DIE) I'd rather live in the Palestinian Territories than about 100 countries in the world sadly...
Lavrov is the mouthpiece of Putin to talk in a more radical way, that doesn't suit the head of state. If you think he opens his mouth without making sure Putin supports it is naive.
I'm sorry but some of these takes are beyond offensive, completely ignoring decades of abuse and war crimes committed by Israel.
when Israelis quote 5000 yr old scriptures to justify apartheid who is exactly taking like out the middle ages?
I find it abhorrent to parade bodies, but to draw the line at that and not firing missiles into apartment buildings or using white phosphorus on densely populated areas is just appalling hypocrisy.
when Israelis quote 5000 yr old scriptures to justify apartheid who is exactly taking like out the middle ages?
I find it abhorrent to parade bodies, but to draw the line at that and not firing missiles into apartment buildings or using white phosphorus on densely populated areas is just appalling hypocrisy.
Yes. This is what is expected of occupants in the West Bank/Gaza. Bend over and take it, or move somewhere else. Sing Kumbaya/We Shall Overcome as you exit please.
Just a reminder of what life is like in Isreal and Gaza
What conflict in history has ended differently? The cleansing in the US, Canada, Australia, Roman Empire, South Africa, Iran, China, and everywhere else has ended like this.
By far most wars in history did not end in ethnic cleansing. You can't just list places (and the Roman Empire, like that didn't last two thousand years in many different forms and had an extremely diverse ethnic, linguistic and religious composition) as if that's some kind of argument.
Anyone else initially failed to realize that the Iron Dome failed? The pictures of missiles and rockets impacts made no sense for a few minutes.
Which war with which an indigenous population which was faced with a superior armed 'settler' occupier, did not end like this? Say in the last 200 years. Even stuff like the Boer wars and WWII ended with ethnic cleansing.
Just a reminder of what life is like in Isreal and Gaza
But the Palestinians were celebrating over the dead bodies too!
I thought we are living in the most morally superior times in the planet's history. Guess i was wrong.
Hard to say it failed. More like overwhelmed by the number of rockets. I don't think its set up for such a volume of inbound in such a short period of time.
Nah, humans are shit. Always have been, always will be. Brutal and nasty species. Look at the planet and what we've done to every 'lesser' species. We're no better than we ever were.
Aye. They've said this is a weakness for years. Think they are getting some american non kinetic system.
edit: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...ocket-defense-will-begin-initial-procurement/
Exactly, it failed. There is a good reason for it but it failed, if a cable overheat due to overload then we still state that the cable fail. It's not a criticism but a simple observation.
Who said that it was magic?
Yeah of course. It didn't fail because the technology was faulty, is what I was saying.
Yes they always do. The appropriate response is what the Uk would do if this happened on our soil. Especially a nation that lost 6.5 million people due to anti semitism.
The world failed the Jews, it’s failing them again. Make no mistake, not a single country in the Middle East would blink an eye lid if Israel got wipe off the face of the earth, in fact this is their wet dream.
Another massive wave of rockets currently being fired into Israel.
I'm not saying you called it magic, I'm saying it does have coverage limits like any missile defense system does
The 1960s called and asked for its talking points back.
I see now you think I'm an idiot.
So what's the latest situation on the ground?
Fair enough. Thank you for being honest at least.
I guess you could argue the point of no return was long ago but otherwise this is it.
If Iran is behind this (I would be extremely surprised if them and Russia are not involved), Israel will likely retaliate heavily against them. We already know that Israel’s F35 fly over Teheran, they can also bomb Teheran.
Of course you can label a state as nazis, if the state’s military action has a fascist bent. It happens regularly in many contexts. It would be a different thing to label an entire religious group as nazis, that would be right out on the extreme end, and wanders into sectarianism.
He didn’t label Jewish people as nazis, though. I don’t know why you implied that he did. It dramatically undermines your attempt to place yourself on the moral high ground. It places you right there on the same ground, really.
Iran isn't behind it, but they are well known to be arms suppliers to Hezbollah and Hamas, and of course are rabidly anti-Israel. Ultimately, the attack is all on Hamas and its them and the people of Gaza that will bear the brunt of the retaliation, which I presume will involve a ground war into Gaza to dismantle Hamas and reoccupy the land.
Have you had a peak at the Ukraine war thread?
You're talking semantics here about the peace offer.
Not sure many, if any on here think what Hamas is doing is right. There is a massive difference between thinking something is right and thinking that a reaction is understandable, considering the circumstances they live under.
You really think a country that finances terror groups for decades in the middle east and who profits most of destabilization in the region, while fearing good relations between Israel and its neighbours at the same time isn't behind this attack? Come on, that's very naive. Hamas are being played by Iran. They use Israel like a tamer uses a red flag to provoke the bull to attack.
Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: "What has been, is not what will be. We will change the face of reality in Gaza"
Sounds to me like troops on the ground in Gaza.
Still ongoing battles apparently, but Israel saying they have forces clearing every occupied village. Ground operation into Gaza already authorised, multiple rockets strikes in Tel Aviv in the last hour.