Amazing...
Since many I know are mistaking this video as real, I'd like to clarify its a promotional one of what they intended to do today. There's an obvious carton they're shooting at 35 seconds.
Amazing...
I didn't watch it all the way through. There was discussion about paragliders on MSNBC, I'll delete now.Since many I know are mistaking this video as real, I'd like to clarify its a promotional one of what they intended to do today. There's an obvious carton they're shooting at 35 seconds.
Since many I know are mistaking this video as real, I'd like to clarify it’s a promotional one of what they intended to do today. There's an obvious carton they're shooting at 35 seconds.
I got an alert of you quoting me in this post...a bug?There was at least one famous Palestinian operation launched from Lebanon during the civil war there where the attackers infiltrated on hang gliders.
Big failure indeed. Questions will be asked.I just can't get my mind wrapped around how Israel didn't see this coming. The GOAT of intelligence failures for them.
This could transform their society in much the same way as 9.11 transformed ours.
I got an alert of you quoting me in this post...a bug?
These threads are going to go round and round infinitely if people keep engaging in “but what about…?”Funny how no one talks about the ethnic cleansing of villages in large parts of the West Bank, the one with the illegal settlement nearby..
Funny how no one talks about the Judeo-extremist govt terrorists openly talking about ethnic cleansing.
The Balfour Deceleration should be revoked and the whole state of israel declared as an illegal occupying entity.
I've learned from the Ukrainian war, that even those tiny explosions are lethal most of the time. The smallest shrapnels are enough to cause internal bleeding which leads to a very painful death.The bomb seemed quite puny though.
Interesting. I was thinking, if you're an apartheid occupier, you're never the victim and can't ever have any complaints.I agree and that's why they need to stop absolutely all relations with Iran and bury them in sanctions like North Korea, so they can't use that money to finance terrorism. Especially because it's the west's fault that the mullah regime got into power in the first place.
Horrific ISIS like videos circulating the web, naked dead israelian women being paraded around in trucks, captured and tortured soldiers. A stone age hell and Israel will answer accordingly. If you poke the bear, you can't cry for help if he wakes up.
End Apartheid and free Palestine
Let’s not encourage whataboutism
No, it is, and I grew up listening to it in ireland. It doesn’t help in these situations and only inflames conversations. Regardless of side, each should be condemned.It's not whataboutism, it's a legitimate observation by @SilentWitness that violence against innocent Palestinians is (wrongly) normalized while violence against innocent Israeli civilians is (rightly) condemned.
It's not whataboutism, it's a legitimate observation by @SilentWitness that violence against innocent Palestinians is (wrongly) normalized while violence against innocent Israeli civilians is (rightly) condemned.
So Israeli (with the unequivocal support of the western world) has killed far more civilians in Gaza in the last few hours than Hamas have managed in the last 10 years.
Sadly, the Mighty West have no balls to even contemplate doing that. Civilians will sadly keep dying, while the ratio of deaths between the two sides keeps increasing.Funny how no one talks about the ethnic cleansing of villages in large parts of the West Bank, the one with the illegal settlement nearby..
Funny how no one talks about the Judeo-extremist govt terrorists openly talking about ethnic cleansing.
The Balfour Deceleration should be revoked and the whole state of israel declared as an illegal occupying entity.
No, it is, and I grew up listening to it in ireland. It doesn’t help in these situations and only inflames conversations. Regardless of side, each should be condemned.
I also had a legitimate observation that annual 400,000 deaths caused by flus are (wrongly) normalized while 1.8 million deaths caused by COVID was (rightly) closely watched in 2020.
Can I say that people are "hypocrite" mourning and condemning Las Vegas Shooting in 2017 while 25,000+ people die from guns in USA every year are "normalized"?
People have already well-explained these are the effect of long-lasting ongoing-events fatigue vs sharp sudden current events.
Let’s not encourage whataboutism
I don’t think that’s a reflection on the caf at all. There’s an element of “news fatigue” about shit stuff happening to Palestinians. So you’re just not going to get the same engagement from whatever latest shitty thing happens to them. What’s happening now is considerably more unusual and, hence, will geenerate a lot more attention/posts.
And to your last point, you are wrong applying it to this thread. Violence against Palestinians doesn't get as much chatter. Not because people are fatigued, but because it's been normalized by Israel and it's allies and supporters. And any discussion of today's events that does not have this fact as a framework is fatally flawed.
They can quote you when they’re banned then. I’m doneWhataboutism would be me saying "well Israel does it so it's ok when Hamas does it".
I didn't say that.
And there's nothing wrong with having inflamed conversations on the Caf.
Yes you can actually. Especially if you treat the Las Vegas shooting like an isolated situation independent of those other deaths that don't get as much attention and should.
And to your last point, you are wrong applying it to this thread. Violence against Palestinians doesn't get as much chatter. Not because people are fatigued, but because it's been normalized by Israel and it's allies and supporters. And any discussion of today's events that does not have this fact as a framework is fatally flawed.
when you make a conclusive statement, please try to justify it instead of stating it blankly.
I hope you understand that "debates" and "discussion" are not just two sides stating their own stances.
In China, there are basically no reports of Palestinian deaths in their every day news but they make a big fuss about the strike today, is China Israel's ally and supporter?
This event has stirred far more reaction from Pro-Palestinian outlets and users I see online than the events @SilentWitness referenced, not just pro-Israeli. Because it's simply a bigger and more newsworthy event that will inevitably have much greater consequence. I rarely venture into this thread but was prompted to do so specifically off the back of multiple pro-Palestinian posts on twitter concerned about the violence Israel will now unleash in retribution.
While it is wrong that the prior events referenced don't get more attention, the suggestion (or at least what I took as the suggestion) that the difference in people's responses here is due to some pro-Israeli bias seems a bit skewed. People might just be more inclined to post about this because it is factually a more significant event that will have much greater impact.
My point is simple. Why can’t we condemn these actions without the need to hark back to previous actions? We just go round in circles. People are posting emotionally and it doesn’t help them.Personally I feel the narrative is weighed heavily in favour of one side which isn't surprising given that's also how the media reflects the situation. Both sides have committed widespread atrocities against each other but one is protected by the west and the media to a level which is disgusting and unjust. My heart goes out to the innocent Israelis and the innocent Palestine's who are caught up in the latest of these events and it's terribly sad that they have to be involved in them because of an occupier (Israel) unwilling to stop at anything but to eradicate themselves of Palestine. What Hamas are doing is awful and I'm shocked and upset by some of the pictures and videos circulating but their retaliation was always going to be a when and not if. I cannot see peace ever being an option.
I don't see it as whataboutism when it's quite clear in the media and government in the UK who the narrative is played and supported to and who is stigmatized.
Not intentionally. But implicitly, passively, yes. The silence is half the problem.
My point is simple. Why can’t we condemn these actions without the need to hark back to previous actions? We just go round in circles. People are posting emotionally and it doesn’t help them.
i don’t agree with what Israel have done in the past and no doubt will do in the future but quoting stuff from the past comes across as apologising for the current actions and I’m sure you don’t mean it like that.
Shooting innocent people standing at bus stops etc, dragging naked bodies around and kidnapping people to do god knows what is war crime behaviour as a stand alone event