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frostbite said:
I know the question is rhetoric, and hence you do not expect a serious answer, but anyway here is an answer from a Greek, for those who are interested to hear another perspective on the issue.

For some (many?) of us in the West, Israel vs Arabs is like Ukraine vs Russia. Russia has more money and people than Ukraine, and wants to erase Ukraine from the map. Arabs have more money and people than Israel, and want to erase Israel from the map. In the past, Arab countries tried to invade and destroy Israel, the same way that Russia invaded Ukraine. So, the weak side here is Israel. That's the big picture.

Yes, of course, as Greeks we want to help the Palestinians, and we do help the Palestinians and we have helped Palestinians in the past. However, we also believe that most of the Palestinians are not really alone in the world, most of the Palestinians are Arabs, and the Arabic countries are their brothers. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the concept "Palestinians" was created with the creation of Israel, there was no such nationality before, there is no "Palestinian language", the people who lived in those lands were Arabs, Greek Orthodox, Catholics, Jews... but there were no "Palestinians" as a separate people before the creation of Israel. This does not mean that *today* Palestinians do not exist, of course Palestinians exist today, but it means that it is logical to expect that they should receive the majority of the humanitarian help from the rich Arab countries (who have enough money to buy football clubs in Europe and invest in companies in the United States). So, the main responsibility for helping the Palestinians resides with the Arab countries, not with the Europeans. On the contrary, the Europeans have a responsibility to help Israel survive, because it was the Europians who made the decision to create the country of Israel and encourage the migration of Jews to Israel.

Despite of all that, I am sure that most Greeks and most Europeans, want to see peace in those lands, and want to help achieve lasting peace. But it is really hard to see how. Both sides have too many hard core fundamentalists.
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You're having an absolute mare in this thread.




Imagine being a Palestinian there. Settlers can wear arms and do what they want with IDF present, even joining in.
 
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Crazy that the US and UK can say something as blatantly genocidal and obscene as that. :rolleyes:
 
The killing of Shireen Abu Akleh: what one morning in the West Bank reveals about the occupation
The face of Al Jazeera in Palestine, Abu Akleh was a journalist whose death resounded across the Arab world. Hours later, a bullet claimed the life of a schoolboy 60 miles away, Thaer Yazouri. This is the story of their last day

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...in-the-west-bank-reveals-about-the-occupation

Pretty cool interactive article that goes into the details of the murder of Shireen.
 
The judicial 'reform' saga appears to be coming to a head over there:



 
This is not good. I’ve been fortunate enough to have visited that mosque and enjoyed the people’s hospitality there. What Israel thinks they’ll accomplish raiding it is beyond me.

 
Carolina Red said:
This is not good. I’ve been fortunate enough to have visited that mosque and enjoyed the people’s hospitality there. What Israel thinks they’ll accomplish raiding it is beyond me.

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We know what's going on there. God save us all, Muslim and non-Muslim. :(
 
2cents said:
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Ben Gvir and Smotrich had been pushing for that for a while apparently. There's a real danger that IDF forces will refuse to serve now. Already a lot of unrest within the armed forces, but no wholesale refusal within the non reserves to serve. However preotest is within active forces, they didnt like the mosque stuff, and they are openly questioning the civilian government.

That said, most of the most competent persons who do the most missions and planning (eg. fighter pilots) are reservists, and they are refusing to serve en masse. It's becoming more serious and affecting force readiness.

Yoav Kish probable replacement, maybe Richter.
 
Apparently this picture of the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount is now hanging in the offices of the Jerusalem District Appeals Committee, which is said to be responsible for processing the appeals of Palestinians in East Jerusalem against various decisions that go against them:

 
2cents said:
Apparently this picture of the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount is now hanging in the offices of the Jerusalem District Appeals Committee, which is said to be responsible for processing the appeals of Palestinians in East Jerusalem against various decisions that go against them:

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Might be worth mentioning why this is so funny/tragic.

It's an edited picture with the temple mount deleted from it.

She asks, 'hey kids, spot what's missing?' - And half the replies on twitter are like 'erm, the jewish temple??'
 
owlo said:
Might be worth mentioning why this is so funny/tragic.

It's an edited picture with the temple mount deleted from it.

She asks, 'hey kids, spot what's missing?' - And half the replies on twitter are like 'erm, the jewish temple??'
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It's a mosque.
 
owlo said:
My bad, I get what he means now. Yes, for reference I mean the mosque on the rock.
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Not that it matters at all in terms of that picture, but technically it isn't really considered a mosque, although it's often mistaken for one. It's pretty much a unique building in Islamic history in terms of its antiquity, architecture, function, and significance, and is therefore difficult to categorize, but is maybe best described as a commemorative shrine.
 
Bibi is lucky his opponents are protesting and striking, rather than inciting violence against him like he did with Rabin.
 
On their way to Netanyahu's residence

 
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