Rockets in the cafe obviously!
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Rockets in the cafe obviously!
Sorry for spamming (@Raoul let me know if I’m breaking any rules).
This particular post is really interesting - a reformed Zionist shares her thoughts.
Where’s the right-leaning change in this forum?
It's left leaning. The change is it's less right than it once was.
You were meaning it became more left leaning over time. Got it.
How incrementally has it changed in your opinion?
Mostly what happens is the posters on the further reaches of the right get banned. Not all at once but incrementally.
I'm afraid I am in the dark as you are... I know there are claims that there are/were diggings there, but nothing substantiated.
We need to just ban the far left and everyone's happy
No idea really to be honest regarding the incremental change. Just how it feels.
I’ve been for half the time as you & I can feel that.
Official sources: #Israel has informed Int’l orgs that it intends to blow up two schools: Al-Buraq & Al-Aqsa.These were among centres being prepared to shelter families whose homes were bombed. Nowhere to go. #IsraeliCrimes.
@IntlCrimCourt
A tweet from a Dr Hanan Ashrawi
@IntlCrimCourt
A tweet from a Dr Hanan Ashrawi
Another interesting perspective from a left leaning Israeli.
Who is the current head of Hamas?
Some guy living in Qatar. I mean Qatar the friend of USA where thousands of American troops are based. Can you believe it? It is like Omad Djalili sketch about Osma. He said we were looking for him for years and where do we find him? In his house.
Would he be a legitimate target or is the power structure of Hamas too diffuse for it to truly matter? Who is the leader of IJ & would the same apply?Some guy living in Qatar. I mean Qatar the friend of USA where thousands of American troops are based. Can you believe it? It is like Omad Djalili sketch about Osma. He said we were looking for him for years and where do we find him? In his house.
I just saw that an senior IJ commander was assassinated today, thus my curiosity about the command structure of Hamas / IJ.
Before anyone reacts, this isn’t condoning what Israel is doing, I just don’t know how decentralized Hamas / IJ is.
yeah, the admin for the official Israel account looks like an emotional teenager. Which is probably true given how angry they are at Bella Hadid tweet supporting Palestine
This is the thing
After the current bombing stops and there's some sort of truce with people clapping Biden, this above will still carry on.
I can't get my head around that although it does feel like the stereotypical guilty conscience. Feeling the need to justify what it's doing.
Some guy living in Qatar. I mean Qatar the friend of USA where thousands of American troops are based. Can you believe it? It is like Omad Djalili sketch about Osma. He said we were looking for him for years and where do we find him? In his house.
I mean he could be a target (Mossad assassinated the leader of the military wing in Dubai in 2010) but I don't think it really matters that much. The leaders don't matter much in this scenario imo, the overall direction and tactics will remain the same.
No worries at all and hope you're OK.
Copts are not a monolith, though as I said they tend to siupport the status quo (and I don't think Islamists and Muslims in general in the Arab world have done enough to assay their fears) but my point is that Islamists take a calculated political decision to scapegoat them as the cause for their political failures....which obviously cannot be the case as even if every single Copt in Egypt supported the status quo, it wouldn't be enough. The reality is that many more muslims in Egypt for instance support the status quo than Copts, through sheer numbers alone.
I think its probably obvious from my name that I'm not native to the UK either and while I think the situation in general is perhaps better than some of the wrist cutting implies on here, there's still a lot of problems for sure.
Seems like China are the super power who have decided to step in. Laying out a 4 point plan, including a sovereign Palestine based on the 1967 lines, and offering for peace talks to take place in China.
I read their 4 point plan, and it's sensible but you can't help but feel strange that they're so sensible on this but so inhumane with regards to the Uighurs.
We live in a strange world.
I have no love for China but this is at least sounds like a sensible groundwork to build on. Certainly beats having the US as a mediator with their laughable lack of impartiality (gifting all of Jerusalem to the Israelis anyone?). Fully expect the US to veto or hamstring any attempts at a just peace though. A settlement based on 1967 lines does not benefit the Israeli hardliners (nor Hamas), so can see the US stepping in to sabotage this at every step.
I dount they could do worse than the USA in terms of leading a peace process... that said I dont see the USA or Israel accepting it at all
Good soft power / spin though... putting themself on the world stage an a counter balance to US dominance... and in a way where they know they almost certainly wont have to get involved in any meaningful way
That said long term if Gaza was fully soverign / part of a fully soverign palestine it would be a great place to build some ports and airstrips for china (though the USA would probably think anybody else having major military bases / infrastructurein the middle east was an act of war).
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Summed up perfectly.
Sheikh Jarrah yep, it's exactly what's happening, the ongoing expansion of israeli territory at the expense of palestinian families too...
Worth remembering that this is a reality for Palestinians everyday, outside of Hamas' rocket fire, but also a reason for it too.
Isn't it obvious that even the attempt at summing up such a complex conflict in a completely onesided 1min 25 sec video is destined to be a complete failure?
Sheikh Jarrah issue is not really complex, it's basically stripping the Palestinians of their homes, throwing them out, the video sums it up perfectly.
They shouldn't have harbored hamas operatives in their homes.
This is the same as discussing the chicken/egg concept. You look at the retaliation (Hamas) but you never tackle the root cause (Zionism).
It's one piece of an extremely complex situation and therefor lacks (enormous amounts of) relevant context to be anywhere near a perfect summary. The way in which it is done feels like typical propaganda.