Same shit, different shade of orange.
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Same shit, different shade of orange.
It's not in the pack they provided him.
Such horrifying news coming from Gaza.. whole families murdered. Cruelty at this scale then you see Biden giving more missiles to Israel. Cannot wait to march on the streets again. End the occupation, end apartheid.
Insane country
I'll keep it brief and expand if you need me to. Just got caught up in something.
Yeah I meant Mubarak not Morsi. I so get mixed up with names sometimes as I'm usually writing from memory. Think even copts and Christian groups attest to taking sides.
Think in modern times we take for granted something's in our own countries but use it as an obstacle in others. Eg foreign nurses having to pay 400-600 pounds pa, I believe, to work here. Issues with attire in most settings. Even Hijab for police women discriminates as it's not just head covering so many don't apply. I couldn't wear a thobe or shalwar kameez in some of my roles, even public ones. Had to be shirt and tie etc. Even when I do in private life I get comments and/or questions.
Think I mentioned before I have lived in UK for over 40 years and still get the "why did you come here" in polite conversation.
This is the context I meant my comments in. Obviously where there is clear atrocity then we call it out no matter who, when or where. Just think sometimes there are certain issues used to beat others with when they are similar if not same in modern times in our own countries.
Even their twitter handle is on a full blown meltdown. Embarrassing.
this is sad. It's all just business to them.Frankly, I'm amazed they didn't just give them away.
It's more than business.
Yes, I'm sure the financials are incredibly murky.
Both sides argue that they were there first and the other side started it.
Interestingly in Hebrew and (I think) Arabic the word Palestinian and Israeli are the same word as Israelite and Philistine. So this goes back quite a long way.
Well my point was that there could be ethnic Jews(not sure even that is the correct term?) that don't follow religion in any way, who may not have grown up in an overtly Jewish environment; my assumption being that otherwise you would have been pretty much frequently exposed to discussion of the Holocaust and things of that nature over the course of your life.
Of course, there are plenty of people that can just determine that what is happening in Palestine is bad, without the need for any lessons from the past to confirm it, but it's not exactly a hot take to suggest that it would help a lot of people to empathise in this scenario, if they were to look back on the learnings of a previous tragedy that they probably had family be part of, and maybe gain some awareness of what is going on from an objective perspective in this current situation. I really don't see how it's 'unfair' to expect that from any human capable of compassion.
The feck? Why would they be digging under historical monuments?
...whilst simultaneously bombing gaza for their tunnel building?
they chest beat and revel in others misery and they wonder why people dislike them and disagree with them. Must be anti semitic
Wow, I had to go onto that account to see that's actually their official Twitter account
Embarrassing doesn't begin to cover the stuff on it.Interestingly though, the tweets do sound very fearless like
Guess Hamas had some virus bioengineering going on in that lab and the all knowing Israeli intelligence found it out.
The tweet has been ratio'd so hard
I entirely agree with you. I have issues here too forgetting which Berba or what Giggs, I am replying to.
It's not that I don't understand this point, I just think it's a very sad way of looking at things. I would like to believe that people who hold these sorts of thoughts about others can learn to overcome them, and trying to find common experiences to help them do that is a way of achieving this. Maybe it's not realistic to expect everyone to be able to do this, but certainly it exists as a mechanism to overcome prejudices.
Think you missed the point of that one.
It's arguably disingenuous but it's not triumphalism.
Kind of them to report on the intentions behind the Hamas rockets.
Have they also clarified that their own bombs are actually just "terms of endearments"?
Yikes.
Sure. They do seem to need their rocket defence system
Fireworks compared to what comes back in return
It's OK, then
This would be a whole lot more bearable if you could cool it with the whataboutery.
There is a very serious reason for this. In fact, looking past all the distractions of bombings and wars, the real reason why Israel was created and is supported by non-Jews beyond all reprehension. It's got nothing to do with Judaism or Jewish holy land. Never was. It's more sinister. And no it's not only just a mosque being destroyed and replaced with something else (that too is only just part of the saga).
But I don't want to cloud anything our Israeli friends here can tell us. I would really, really like to know their side as I have no other way of finding out other than on here. @Amir, @Fearless, @owlo I continue to urge you to find out what you can from your side. This is a genuine request.
The British left have a century long history of opposing zionism. And it has nothing to do with the Palestinians. It all stems from the way Zionism was promoted by the British and European establishment as a means of stopping Jews playing an instrumental role in communist revolution. To quote Churchill in 1922:
Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.
Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
So when you see Corbyn and friends (@lefty_jakobz ?) attacking Israel and not devoting the same energy to other human rights violations in the same region, it's important to understand the history of their emnity to Israel. Without Zionism (they think just like Churchill did) they would have ruled in London as well as Moscow.
Which is not to say Israel should be doing what it is doing to Gaza. Just that it is a much more complicated situation that goodies and baddies.
Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.
Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
So when you see Corbyn and friends (@lefty_jakobz ?) attacking Israel and not devoting the same energy to other human rights violations in the same region, it's important to understand the history of their emnity to Israel. Without Zionism (they think just like Churchill did) they would have ruled in London as well as Moscow.
Which is not to say Israel should be doing what it is doing to Gaza. Just that it is a much more complicated situation that goodies and baddies.
Oh I got that they were talking about Hamas rockets, it was more that it was a crazy thing to tweet from the official Israel account.
Edit - My bad I did leave the last tweet out.
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There isn't a tangentially related YouTube video explaining this so he won't answer your question.
That's fine, he/they will ask genuinely in-the-know people in Israel which we don't have access to. It will be a learning exercise for all of us.
I replied a few days ago with this:
Just to add, due to my large collection of Muslim/Jewish coins from that era, I've been asked to go look at some of the finds and promptly told them to feck off. Iirc Steven Album (big islamic/oriental auction house in the USA have told them the same.) Neither the Jews nor Muslims have followed correct archeological protocol, nor shown proper respect or regard for either history or the other side.
They are STILL buying houses specficically to dig, knowing where the access to ancient tunnels are. I've been in some, it's a fecking disgrace. (I could go on all day about this as it's kinda my passion)
So who did start it and when? And how did you decide that date?
Thanks, appreciate it. Taking out the emotion from both sides, are you sure the digging is simply for trinkets? If so, fair enough.