That phrase was used in relation to the land mass if encompassed i.e. the sun literally never set on the British Empire. Nothing to do with longevity.
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That phrase was used in relation to the land mass if encompassed i.e. the sun literally never set on the British Empire. Nothing to do with longevity.
No. But why should it matter with this discussion, whether I support or not?.
It really is David v Goliath.Here's a picture of one the weapons
You've been trying to flatten them for 40 years, not gonna happen
I'll always accept recommended articles and literature.
I have actually studied the conflict a bit, I didn't mean to sound like a total novice. But knowledge is a continuous journey etc., and normally I like to hear from people in/from the region affected.
Two friends of mine went to Birthright a few years ago, one of them posted this about the protests. I thought it was quite good, though I had to fix a few punctuation errors!
Stolen from the web
Well the sun certainly does set on what's left of it now
They should have flicked elastic bands. Would have garnered even more sympathy.
Some really cold and callous comments in this thread
Yep. Betraying of true sentiments I feel. Given the loss of life, regardless of one's political views it is an odd thing to choose to type and post imo
I've made my sentiments clear about this tragedy. Don't confuse that with exposing Hamas's agenda.
Perhaps that has been your intention, and fair enough if so. We are on the same page there. But some of your other comments have, to me at least, clouded your 'clear sentiments.' Your right to speak how you want, though.
And don't get me wrong were the situation reversed I'm sure there would be similar comments, or a similar tone of comments, going in the other direction.
Ah OK. Well I'll refrain from posting a bibliography of recommended readings here for the moment. In the meantime I think this is a decent enough take on the heart of the continuing problem, as told by an Israeli:
The Real Dispute Driving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
A cycle of denial has defined the shared existence of neighboring peoples for seven decades.
He has a new book out now called "Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor" which is getting good reviews.
Very rich coming from an advocate of a so-called state, that has built its entire existence on sympathy. I find it hard to believe you actually believe the nonsense you spout. Just because you keep repeating the same nonsense with fingers in your ears doesn't make your points any more valid.
You are very flawed and clearly lack conscious and critical thinking. You expect us to consciously accept your propaganda with out much consideration while any response is met with a brick wall. Your state is far more dangerous than the fairy tale threats you try to paint that supposedly endanger Isreals existence. The real threat is in your mind.
The 'Isreal is defending itself' card may actually hold more weight if every conflicted event didnt end in countless dead Palestinians.
Cheers!
You lost me at 'so-called state'.
Im sure i did. Were your fingers in your ears while reading my post, screaming "La La La La" too. Lol
You haven't actually. All you've said is you don't condone it, followed by a statement of fact about the death toll. That leaves an awful lot of blanks to fill in. Do you view it as an atrocity? Do you condemn it? Do you have sympathy for the dead and their loved ones?
The defining feature of all Empires is that they fall. Israel isn’t an empire though and they have nukes. There would need to be a similarly armed state backing the Palestinians to halt them but to destroy them, don’t see it happening.
Boycotting Israel wouldn’t be enough, you’d need to target their enablers. As of now Israeli interests appear to take precedence over US ones, so much for “America always comes first”.
A colleague/friend of mine's wife has gone to Marocco, where she's from, with their 7 kid (yes, 7!), so the guy said us who work together should go out and celebrate him havong the house on his own.
We planned to go out for a drink or 68 today at the pub where we all work.
He just posted in our messenger group that he can't go out today, cause his brother were killed by Israeli soldiers in Palestine yesterday
Fecking horrible world we live i , this shit has to be stopped.
We planned to go out for a drink or 68 today at the pub where we all work.
He just posted in our messenger group that he can't go out today, cause his brother were killed by Israeli soldiers in Palestine yesterday
Fecking horrible world we live i , this shit has to be stopped.
I'm sorry, but this a rather ridiculous a priori demand for a discussion in a forum like this one. Sounds more like a Soviet Union style show trial.
You'll simply have to live with the blanks, so this...
...should be enough for you.
You can then still criticize someone's positions, or omissions, or moral inconsistencies, or whatever you think you've found.
I don't think I've found anything. I was just saying his position was not clear. Many people's position in this thread is not clear, but they aren't claiming it is. If he doesn't want to respond he doesn't have to. Talk about an overreaction...
That won't work either since their so called enablers are powerful and wealthy.
A lot of people have absolutely clear positions here, which was a crucial part why a debate about @Fearless evolved in the first place. It's not that everybody was kind of open, and he suddenly burst in claiming something about himself. It is normal such questions come up to an extent, but somewhere it goes too far.
If I'm not mistaken there is nothing on or in Israel-West Bank-Gaza that is interesting for people that aren't Palestinian or Israeli which means that no one will seriously meddle. Palestinians are alone against their politicians and Israel.
That status omits the fact that the infrastructure in Gaza is bombed repeatedly by Israel. I've lost count of the amount of buildings built by EC or UNRWA, or ICRC funding that have been destroyed by Israeli bombs mere months after they were built.
That person may say that Hamas should still do more, but even when public buildings and infrastructure is built up in the region it gets decimated every single time. Also, Israel controls everything that comes in or out of the control by land, air or sea. It's not an autonomous place at all. Even in the last bout of conflict, Israel controlled what was going to come in to Gaza and any time building materials were brought in, they were promptly rejected because Israel argued they were going to be used for tunnels. So please ask your friend how exactly he submits that Hamas should be doing more?
Also, please let him/her know that the 2 state solution is dead (seriously, either of the two options available to them right now will almost certainly be unpalatable to Israel - a) give citizenship to Palestinian Arabs which would be a demographic time bomb; or b) agree to sit and thrash out a 2 state solution - that won't happen because they would have to acquiesce East Jerusalem). Also, normal every day Israelis are the ones who vote in the likes of Likud and have done repeatedly over the past decade (even longer when you go back to that feckwit Sharon) even in spite of Bibi's corruption and his bloodlust. Even now, the vast majority have backed the actions of the IDF over the last month or so, with approval rates of upwards of 60%.
Its quite amazing reasing the different views of those that support the palestines and those who support the jews. I have learnt alot from this thread about the way both sides see things. Its extraordinary. Saw this image today and thought it was an interesting share.
But empires never think they are going to fall
Hate to be that guy but it's not as binary as 'Palestinians vs Jews'. There are Jewish critics of the state of Israel as there are non-Jewish supporters of it. Also worth remembering that Palestinians are both of Islamic and Christian persuasion.
Not satire:
In case it is deleted n(tweeted by the IDF):
In case it is deleted n(tweeted by the IDF):
Personally I don't have an agenda on either side of the equation. If the Palestinians had killed multiple Israeli people including children I would be opposed to that also.
Interesting watch. Loved that guys line “god isn’t a real estate agent”. Beggars belief how they are getting away with it.
Read some corking comments today following an article on 'The Difference between Israelis and Palestinians'. Been looking for it but can't find it again now.
edit, tell a lie, found it. Not for the faint hearted
https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/09/the-true-difference-between-israelis-and-palestinians/
I really can't be arsed what they wanna call them self's. I just meant the pro Israel vs the rest .
The whole thing to me is a cluster feck of stupid religious beliefs and bad decisions from both sides
To be fair, Hamas store weapons in schools, mosques and hospitals. It makes the situation a lot more complex than you’re portraying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...schools/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.29bd39c51838
Yeah good luck boycotting America