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AfonsoAlves said:
Houthis are also scum so im not exactly too arsed about this
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Except depicting Yemenis as a bunch of tusken raiders from Star wars is...quite a bit racist?

I mean I don't expect much from a bunch of US military brutes so hardly surprised with their choice of emblems, I'm sure there are much worse ones.
 
Kaos said:
Except depicting Yemenis as a bunch of tusken raiders from Star wars is...quite a bit racist?

I mean I don't expect much from a bunch of US military brutes so hardly surprised with their choice of emblems, I'm sure there are much worse ones.
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2mufc0 said:
Apart for the racist caricatures yeah of course. Typical colonists.
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It's shock factor dark/racist humour and prevalent in just about every Military organization I've seen, nothing out of the ordinary. A discussion could be had on why all militaries have this kind of edginess to them.

But like I said, Houthi's are actually scumbags so whilst it's technically wrong, I could care less.

Also, US Naval Aviators are very highly educated, very intelligent people. They're not your typical USMC brutes.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
It's shock factor dark/racist humour and prevalent in just about every Military organization I've seen, nothing out of the ordinary. A discussion could be had on why all militaries have this kind of edginess to them.

But like I said, Houthi's are actually scumbags so whilst it's technically wrong, I could care less.

Also, US Naval Aviators are very highly educated, very intelligent people. They're not your typical USMC brutes.
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Oh, then go on

Poor justification, frankly. I don't know why you are exonerating them with poor excuses
 
AfonsoAlves said:
It's shock factor dark/racist humour and prevalent in just about every Military organization I've seen, nothing out of the ordinary. A discussion could be had on why all militaries have this kind of edginess to them.

But like I said, Houthi's are actually scumbags so whilst it's technically wrong, I could care less.

Also, US Naval Aviators are very highly educated, very intelligent people. They're not your typical USMC brutes.
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I think the IDF and US military are genocidal scumbags, but I'd still find it incredibly uneasy and in poor taste to see an adversarial military don emblems with anti-semitic imagery that Goebbels himself would be proud of.
 
Kaos said:
I think the IDF and US military are genocidal scumbags, but I'd still find it incredibly uneasy and in poor taste to see an adversarial military don emblems with anti-semitic imagery that Goebbels himself would be proud of.
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Seems like you’re in the minority then because the houthis have existed for two decades plus and nobody has wiped them off the map yet.

Nay, people still cheer them and ignore that half of their existence is quite literally “kill the jews” and “kill the west”
 
4bars said:
Oh, then go on

Poor justification, frankly. I don't know why you are exonerating them with poor excuses
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It’s not a justification for anything. I just don’t care that someone put a picture of a tusken raider to represent the houthis.

And I’m also pointing out that the requirements to be a naval aviator is extremely high, both physical and education wise, not every tom dick and harry gets to be one.
 
Kaos said:
I think the IDF and US military are genocidal scumbags, but I'd still find it incredibly uneasy and in poor taste to see an adversarial military don emblems with anti-semitic imagery that Goebbels himself would be proud of.
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Its not that unusual for combat zone unit patches to have slogans or imagery that some outside a warzone may deem unseemly. The general logic is that soldiers exist to kill the enemy and their social bonds are strengthened through words and imagery that mocks enemy combatants.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Seems like you’re in the minority then because the houthis have existed for two decades plus and nobody has wiped them off the map yet.

Nay, people still cheer them and ignore that half of their existence is quite literally “kill the jews” and “kill the west”
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I've never claimed to be a flag-bearing supporter of theirs though. I couldn't care less about the Houthis tbh, there are worse groups that exist in the region with mantras that make the Houthis seem like they're straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon. Some of which have been allied with the West. Granted I think genociding thousands of kids, and decimating middle eastern countries is a far worse crime than attacking a few ships, but I'm merely making the point that emblems like that are incredibly racist, irrespective of the group they're antagonising.
 
Raoul said:
Its not that unusual for combat zone unit patches to have slogans or imagery that some outside a warzone may deem unseemly. The general logic is that soldiers exist to kill the enemy and their social bonds are strengthened through words and imagery that mocks enemy combatants.
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Yeah I'm not surprised, like I said there are probably worse ones I'm not privy to. Just find it incredibly distasteful.

Also 'warzone' is an amusing description of the 'Yemeni front' considering the US' involvement in the country was previously helping the Saudis decimate the country from the air, and now firing at a bunch of small makeshift fishing vessels that buzz around trade ships. Don't think anyone has ever been killed by a Houthi attack to date, but hey whatever makes the brave boys at the USN feel a stronger bond with one another in the field of battle I suppose.
 
Kaos said:
Yeah I'm not surprised, like I said there are probably worse ones I'm not privy to. Just find it incredibly distasteful.

Also 'warzone' is an amusing description of the 'Yemeni front' considering the US' involvement in the country was previously helping the Saudis decimate the country from the air, and now firing at a bunch of small makeshift fishing vessels that buzz around trade ships. Don't think anyone has ever been killed by a Houthi attack to date, but hey whatever makes the brave boys at the USN feel a stronger bond with one another in the field of battle I suppose.
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Risk free and justifiable real world experience.

I find it bizarre we’re framing this as simply as “nobody has died” whilst ignoring the impact on global economic it has had.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
It’s not a justification for anything. I just don’t care that someone put a picture of a tusken raider to represent the houthis.

And I’m also pointing out that the requirements to be a naval aviator is extremely high, both physical and education wise, not every tom dick and harry gets to be one.
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Why you keep insisting on the being extremely well qualified in this instance?
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Risk free and justifiable real world experience.

I find it bizarre we’re framing this as simply as “nobody has died” whilst ignoring the impact on global economic it has had.
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Call me naive, but I find the global economic impact (weighed more negatively towards Israel's apologists) far more palatable than the devastating human cost inflicted by the US and Israel on the people of Palestine and Lebanon.

Not aiming this personally at you, but I don't care to hear about Western concerns about Houthi attacks on shipping lanes when the same virtue signalling nations are bankrolling a genocide not too far away. Yes they very well may be a 'scumbag' organisation with abhorrent beliefs, but they're not the ones culpable for 16,000 dead kids.
 
4bars said:
Why you keep insisting on the being extremely well qualified in this instance?
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Being Kaos said they were the typical US Army/MC grunt brutes when they’re not?

Nowadays you need a masters degree in aeronautical engineering
 
Kaos said:
Call me naive, but I find the global economic impact (weighed more negatively towards Israel's apologists) far more palatable than the devastating human cost inflicted by the US and Israel on the people of Palestine and Lebanon.

Not aiming this personally at you, but I don't care to hear about Western concerns about Houthi attacks on shipping lanes when the same virtue signalling nations are bankrolling a genocide not too far away. Yes they very well may be a 'scumbag' organisation with abhorrent beliefs, but they're not the ones culpable for 16,000 dead kids.
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It’s not a direct comparison though is it?

They’re both scum, one tries to hide and lie about it, the other doesn’t. One has the actual capability to be enact mass destruction and does so, the other wet dreams about it.

Why do we have to weigh the houthis against Israel?

It’s like trying to weigh Al-Qaeda favourably because they fought against ISIS. Yeah they did turn against isis doesn’t change the fact they’re both scum.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Being Kaos said they were the typical US Army/MC grunt brutes when they’re not?

Nowadays you need a masters degree in aeronautical engineering
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Oh. I see, I missed the reason. I thought it exonerate them of being pricks
 
AfonsoAlves said:
It’s not a direct comparison though is it?

They’re both scum, one tries to hide and lie about it, the other doesn’t. One has the actual capability to be enact mass destruction and does so, the other wet dreams about it.

Why do we have to weigh the houthis against Israel?

It’s like trying to weigh Al-Qaeda favourably because they fought against ISIS. Yeah they did turn against isis doesn’t change the fact they’re both scum.
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I'm not attempting to exonerate the Houthis, nor endorse their actions over the last year or so. If they had the means to unleash a catastrophic attack on their enemies would they chose to do? Possibly, but they don't so its a moot point. It's a bit like dignifying the nonsense that Hamas poses an existential threat to Israel because their leaders have sworn it, and its plastered it all over their embroidery. I'm merely pointing to the ludicrous virtue signalling from nations that do have the power to stop the very real human onslaught that Israel is currently undertaking with unreserved brutality, yet they chose to protect them all the while lecturing us on how awful and damaging the Houthis are because they've attacked Western trading vessels and have said some contentious things about Israeli jews. The Houthis have also claimed they would cease their disruptive campaign if the genocide ended, yet it feels all the more palatable to the West that we silence and antagonise them as a priority over telling the Israelis to reel in the child murdering and city destroying.

I forgot what we were even debating. Oh, racist emblems on USN uniforms. Yeah the fact that they're STEM college grads still makes them a bunch of racist cnuts, they might not be your average Cletus from the swamps of Louisiana who's joined the USMC once he's realised that banging his sister is not a viable career path, but it still makes them racist cnuts with a decent gpa.
 
Austin ordered several B-52 Stratofortress bomber aircraft, tanker aircraft and Navy destroyers to deploy to the Middle East, according to four U.S. and defense officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss troop movements.
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Redplane said:
I presume as a deterrent to prevent further escalation. Wouldn't surprise me if some subs are within range as well.
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If by further escalation you mean not allowing Israel's enemies to retaliate. Israel on the other hand will be allowed to continue provoking everyone in the region, under the watchful blessing of the US.
 
Kaos said:
If by further escalation you mean not allowing Israel's enemies to retaliate. Israel on the other hand will be allowed to continue provoking everyone in the region, under the watchful blessing of the US.
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That and and probably acting as a deterrent from it spreading into places like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. In other words - protecting strategic and economic interests.
 
Redplane said:
That and and probably acting as a deterrent from it spreading into places like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. In other words - protecting strategic and economic interests.
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They could do that stopping Israel. That would be the best deterrent.

They are there to be Israel bouncer
 
Redplane said:
I presume as a deterrent to prevent further escalation. Wouldn't surprise me if some subs are within range as well.
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There are always some within range. The US manages that part of the world, the RN sends the odd one (most recently Triumph AFAIK) but mostly only has capacity for continuous presence in the North Atlantic.
 
Redplane said:
Can't wait for the new President elect to start putting an end to all that. /S
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There's a small chance he might be more effective in Lebanon due to his daughter's father-in-law.

The situation will continue to worsen in Gaza, likely at a more accelerated pace now. With Iran, all options will be available.
 
Idxomer said:
There's a small chance he might be more effective in Lebanon due to his daughter's father-in-law.

The situation will continue to worsen in Gaza, likely at a more accelerated pace now. With Iran, all options will be available.
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I think the Iran thing could fizzle out now. Iran doesn't have any further capacity to attack Israel and is out of options to re-arm. They've lost all their best anti aircraft kit, much of their missile building infrastructure is in ruins, and whilst Israel didn't hit any nuclear facilities directly they did strike key suppliers to that effort. It's going to be very difficult for Israel to justify another attack on Iran without labelling it as retaliation.
 
11101 said:
I think the Iran thing could fizzle out now. Iran doesn't have any further capacity to attack Israel and is out of options to re-arm. They've lost all their best anti aircraft kit, much of their missile building infrastructure is in ruins, and whilst Israel didn't hit any nuclear facilities directly they did strike key suppliers to that effort. It's going to be very difficult for Israel to justify another attack on Iran without labelling it as retaliation.
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Consider the broader geopolitical issue between Iran and Israel as it relates to Trump returning to power. The Iranian nuclear program marches on and Bibi, knowing its his only chance to do so with Trump backing him for the next four years, will want to take a shot at either continuing to take out Iran's leadership structure and/or hitting their nuclear sites hard so that they are at a minimum crippled. Khamenai, assuming he's still around, won't be able to respond because Trump will threaten them with retaliation.
 
Raoul said:
Trump steaks
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Hey, mail ordered overpriced meat was a great idea! If he did that today MAGA would be all over it. Coupled with RFKJr being Secretary of Health, they could get both salmonella and dysentery! We would truly be going back to 1798 then!
 
Cross posted from the Trump thread. Trump will almost certainly be out for revenge, probably by way of allowing Netanyahu to do whatever he wants against Tehran.....

 
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