ISIS in Iraq and Syria

kid777 said:
Shia militias mostly had free reign since Maliki came into power and continue to do so, its not the first time they've carried out killings on such a large scale. Only surprise was the Western backed Iraqi army was also involved alongside them in killing civilians in Diyala few days back.

This Shia militias have been hyped up as some sort of amazing army with great moral values fighting enemies of Iraq, but in reality they are bunch of barbaric thugs cut from the same cloth that of ISIS, who are fighting on sectarian lines rather then act to defend Iraq as they like to say.
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Erm no one has hyped them up as some 'amazing army with great moral values', if anything they exist because they don't feel confident in the actual Iraqi army defending their families.

Also - cut from the same cloth as ISIS? :lol: They're not the ones in Mosul who have kicked out the Iraqi army to embrace the child-raping ISIS.

Where are you reading this propaganda? Al-Sharqiya?
 
Im surprised he hasn't claimed they're barging into sunni homes and raping there woman.
 
Kaos said:
Erm no one has hyped them up as some 'amazing army with great moral values', if anything they exist because they don't feel confident in the actual Iraqi army defending their families.

Also - cut from the same cloth as ISIS? :lol: They're not the ones in Mosul who have kicked out the Iraqi army to embrace the child-raping ISIS.

Where are you reading this propaganda? Al-Sharqiya?
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So how do they defend their families ? By murdering innocents civilians just because they belong to other sect. Not sectarian at all.


And for your information I don't know what Al-Sharqiya is, haven't even heard the name before.
 
2cents said:
Looks like IS may have reached the limits of expansion in Iraq and maybe Syria for the moment. Here's an article suggesting they'll pivot south and attempt to take advantage of uncertainty in Saudi Arabia - http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com...-its-time-for-isis-to-take-the-war-south.html
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Not sure I can take that article seriously. First of all its a pretty ridiculous assumption to make that Saudi wants low oil prices to hurt ISIS. Secondly, they have the military hardware to annihilate any encroachment toward their borders.
 
VidaRed said:
Im surprised he hasn't claimed they're barging into sunni homes and raping there woman.
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I'm not sure if this post is a joke but there's a story where they gathered all of the girls named aisha, raped them and burned them in a warehouse and then the parents were informed.
 
There's a lot of evil being committed. I'm not sure what gain there is in trying to score points on who's slightly better.

“Verily, Allaah will not change the (good) condition of a people as long as they do not change their state (of goodness) themselves (by committing sins and by being ungrateful and disobedient to Allaah)”
 
Simbo said:
Not sure I can take that article seriously. First of all its a pretty ridiculous assumption to make that Saudi wants low oil prices to hurt ISIS. Secondly, they have the military hardware to annihilate any encroachment toward their borders.
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Wouldn't it also be biting the hand that feeds?
 
Sultan said:
There's no way the Saudi hierarchy are sponsoring ISIS. They'd be in effect signing their own death warrants.
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I thought I'd read in various places that some of the Saudi's are funding their advance into certain areas?

In any case, they couldn't take Kobane fighting the Kurdish, the idea of them taking Saudi Arabia is beyond ridiculous even if it's a little up in the air at the moment.
 
Tough few days for the Peshmerga around Kirkuk. ISIS launched an offensive in an attempt to distract Peshmerga from their attacks around Mosul. They quickly took a few towns and villages. These have all now been retaken by Peshmerga forces. 257 ISIS dead in the clashes.

However, Peshmerga have had 48 of their own killed, including two high ranking commanders.

The Peshmerga are currently on the offensive, pushing ISIS back to the gates of Hawija and away from Kirkuk.
 
Suli said:
Tough few days for the Peshmerga around Kirkuk. ISIS launched an offensive in an attempt to distract Peshmerga from their attacks around Mosul. They quickly took a few towns and villages. These have all now been retaken by Peshmerga forces. 257 ISIS dead in the clashes.

However, Peshmerga have had 48 of their own killed, including two high ranking commanders.

The Peshmerga are currently on the offensive, pushing ISIS back to the gates of Hawija and away from Kirkuk.
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Killed the commanders with car bombs didnt they. Isn't it a sign of desperation that ISIS are using self assassinations and car bombs already?
 
Godfather said:
Killed the commanders with car bombs didnt they. Isn't it a sign of desperation that ISIS are using self assassinations and car bombs already?
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One with a car bomb and the other was killed by a sniper whilst the Peshmerga retook a village.

They've been using suicide bombers and vehicles since the start. Germany and Italy have supplied the Pesh with Milan missiles and the like which have been very helpful against such attacks.
 
Suli said:
One with a car bomb and the other was killed by a sniper whilst the Peshmerga retook a village.

They've been using suicide bombers and vehicles since the start. Germany and Italy have supplied the Pesh with Milan missiles and the like which have been very helpful against such attacks.
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Ok thanks for the clarification, thought they resort to those kind of things a lot more now out of desperation.
Yeah heard Bulgaria have sent them cannons as well in the last few days.
Brings a lot of fear factor that's for sure. Not much you can do against self assassins.
 
Pexbo said:
In any case, they couldn't take Kobane fighting the Kurdish, the idea of them taking Saudi Arabia is beyond ridiculous even if it's a little up in the air at the moment.
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I think the difference is that, unlike in the Kurdish areas, IS would actually have a lot of support from within Saudi society - they share the same basic religious ideology, and there's no doubt they must have lots of sympathisers in the Saudi military. I agree it's unlikely, but then again nobody ever saw them conquering Mosul the way they did.
 
I was under the impression that SA have a decent military, jets, etc. I'm sure they could fight ISIS effectively, no?
 
Adzzz said:
I was under the impression that SA have a decent military, jets, etc. I'm sure they could fight ISIS effectively, no?
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Saudi Army has rarely ever seen combat, whenever they feel threatened they just kick up a fuss and go cry to Uncle Sam for help.

The US won't let its most prized ally after Israel fall, so they'll most likely intervene before ISIS come anywhere near gaining a foothold in Saudi Arabia.
 
kid777 said:
So how do they defend their families ? By murdering innocents civilians just because they belong to other sect. Not sectarian at all.


And for your information I don't know what Al-Sharqiya is, haven't even heard the name before.
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Obviously no one side here can claim a superior moral high ground, but to compare the Shia militias to ISIS is just laughable.
 
Uzz said:
You should hear/read some of the acts the Shia militias committed in Syria.
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Are you speaking of Hezbollah? Like I said, they definitely don't have clean hands in this dirty conflict, but they're not going around hanging children, burning minorities alive and raping minors.

If anything, the FSA's crimes are more closest to the heinous acts committed by ISIS, not the very least actually selling them these western hostages.
 
Suli said:
What groups are you talking about?
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Kaos said:
Are you speaking of Hezbollah? Like I said, they definitely don't have clean hands in this dirty conflict, but they're not going around hanging children, burning minorities alive and raping minors.

If anything, the FSA's crimes are more closest to the heinous acts committed by ISIS, not the very least actually selling them these western hostages.
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Hezbollah
al Abbas
Assad's thugs

Mainly the Shabiha and the Alawites militia. Some of the things they've done is so depraved and inhumane, it truly is horrific.
 
Relevated said:
I'm not sure if this post is a joke but there's a story where they gathered all of the girls named aisha, raped them and burned them in a warehouse and then the parents were informed.
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I believe this particular story is also propaganda.
 
ISIS have killed the second Japanese hostage.
 
he goes 'let the nightmare for japan begin' so now they declared war on japan also
 
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Relevated said:
I'm not sure if this post is a joke but there's a story where they gathered all of the girls named aisha, raped them and burned them in a warehouse and then the parents were informed.
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This story is bullsh*t.

In wars, a lot of bad things happen (there are some pictures now on twitter about Kurdish fighters treating ISIS' bodies inappropriately as a show of revenge, coalition forces killing civilians in airstrikes, and I can go on about everybody really), but there are two major differences between ISIS and everybody else: the extent of the offences, and the (public) position of the militia/organisation...etc. as a whole.

There is no way any side in this conflict matched the extent of the horrific crimes ISIS committed in the last 6 months. And I know some people with different propagandas will want to exaggerate and blow some things out of proportion just to make people lose perspective, like the ones who claim that Baghdad was a predominately Sunni province before the sectarian conflict in 2006 which is utter bollocks really, just to try and give the impression that there is a large scale ethnic cleansing which did not happen. Same people are trying to do the same now to a give a picture that's not there really. (I'm not talking about the people debating here, I'm talking about the people who provide the "news and reports") Yes there are crimes committed, but trying to compare them to ISIS is silly imo.

Also, there is no side in the conflict who claims that such atrocities are acceptable (on the leadership level, not on individual level) except ISIS, which is why nobody fighting in this conflict is of the same clothing as ISIS.

Right now ISIS is the main problem in Iraq, when it's solved the remaining problems will be much easier to solve and control, because most of the remaining crimes are committed either by mistake, because of the complexity of the war, or as an act of revenge. No side in this conflict hold an ideology that says they should kill innocent people, no matter what their religion/sect is, other than ISIS.
 
Obviously this story is dominating the news over here but the problem for me is the media seem to be lumping all moslems into the same group.
Definite scaremongering that will probably lead to repercussions of some kind.
 
A lot of these hostages are being sold to ISIS from the FSA, perhaps its time to target this hostage pipeline 'service' more upstream?
 
Kaos said:
A lot of these hostages are being sold to ISIS from the FSA, perhaps its time to target this hostage pipeline 'service' more upstream?
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Aren't the FSA fighting ISIS in Kobane, this gets more confusing.
 
The Mitcher said:
Aren't the FSA fighting ISIS in Kobane, this gets more confusing.
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The FSA fighting in FSA are pretty much the only good FSA left. One of the groups is Jabhat Al Akrad, which technically counts as FSA but has moved towards YPG because they're Kurdish.

This is today's footage of the FSA battalions in Kobane countryside. The groups are Shams Al Shamal and Fajr Al Hurriyah. Good guy FSA.



The main fighting force in Kobane are the YPG who are Kurdish.
 
Breaking : Jordanian Pilot burned alive.

Pics are terrible

By the way , it's literally prohibited in Islam - in Bukhari not Koran - to kill or torture using fire.

Bunch of psychopaths.
 
They really are a bunch of sadists and psychopaths aren't they. These kinda people pops up in any conflict, no matter what the cause, there are similar stories from the Balkan wars 92-95, rent-a-kills and what have you killing for pleasure and money. Reminds me of the SS' actions in the concentration camps.
 
I've never seen or read about evil like that since WW2. No words. Horrible...barbaric...sick...these are used to describe crimes like torturing a small animal to death. There's no words to describe these "people".
 
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