ISIS in Iraq and Syria

Pogue Mahone said:
Is that it, though? Is everything they do aimed at attracting interest from the tiny minority of people who would commit despicable acts on another human being, without feeling any remorse?

Only that would really be incredibly niche. I guess it's reassuring, if so. My worry is that there's a broader appeal here, perhaps to hundreds or even thousands of people. I'd like to understand who they are and how they came to think about life in that way.
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I think everybody would worry about that if they pondered it long enough. I have to believe that people who willingly do this stuff are unhinged in some way, otherwise it's a bit too scary to accept.

I'd like to know who in their right mind would seek out these images/videos and be spurred on to go and join them?
Unless you believe that "radicalised Muslims" think it's acceptable to commit atrocities in the name of their faith and record themselves beheading people for tv?

I don't understand why the media show it. They could just report that an American journalist has been captured and killed and leave it at that. Instead, they show still images and/or parts of the video and we have it all over the news, speculating about the guy's British accent etc. It makes them the focus of all the 24 hour news coverage and gives them more publicity. Publicity which might contribute to more Westerners going over to fight for them.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I think everybody would worry about that if they pondered it long enough. I have to believe that people who willingly do this stuff are unhinged in some way, otherwise it's a bit too scary to accept.

I'd like to know who in their right mind would seek out these images/videos and be spurred on to go and join them?
Unless you believe that "radicalised Muslims" think it's acceptable to commit atrocities in the name of their faith and record themselves beheading people for tv?

I don't understand why the media show it. They could just report that an American journalist has been captured and killed and leave it at that. Instead, they show still images and/or parts of the video and we have it all over the news, speculating about the guy's British accent etc. It makes them the focus of all the 24 hour news coverage and gives them more publicity. Publicity which might contribute to more Westerners going over to fight for them.
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That's exactly what I'm curious about. What is becoming of the world if either groups of people exist in large numbers?

I also wonder if there is something uniquely "Islamic" in the gore and brutality that constitutes this PR campaign. Obviously, it would be a gross distortion of the true meaning of Islam but maybe these monsters think their actions are justifiable in accordance with their religion?
 
They're totally depraved. Think of the sort of evil it must take to behead a little girl or slit a woman's throat and watch her bleed to death.

They have all their faculties (just listen to the British Muslim in the video) they just love evil. You wouldn't do all of this unless you enjoyed killing other people. The worst part is, they feel these actions are not only good or worthwhile but necessary in order to bring about an Islamic state.
 
Dappy from the VICE documentary was killed in the Raqqa province yesterday.
 
Suli said:
Dappy from the VICE documentary was killed in the Raqqa province yesterday.
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Good stuff, well done SAA. Speaking of which, Assad should go into Raqqa gunsblazing and finish all the feckers off. That place has become an extremist haven where deplorable crimes have been committed.
 
Iraqi military to conduct a large offensive on the Turkmen city of Amerli today. Its currently being desperately held by a few hundred brave Iraqi soldiers and Turkmen volunteers, its completely surrounded by IS fighters on all fronts.
 
off topic but someone could translate this for me?

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They'll all come back in coffins. :)
 
I know it isn't a funny situation at all but I have to admit I did let out a wry chuckle when I saw that, the brazen hypocrisy is outstanding.
 
US government treating the killing of Foley as a crime and not terrorism, they expected to request ISIS to handle to them the executioner? Someone to read his rights? They are fecking kidding? Obama is getting very isolated recently by his own party they want him to show strength and they want to see action, I'm guessing that would be the job of Hillary or a Republican after he leaves office.
 
Essaux said:
Except, they don't blow up disco clubs in Bali murdering infidels. Neither do they blow up trains in Madrid murdering people. Neither do they blow up Buses and subways in London murdering people. Neither do they hack down a soldier in broad day light in London. Neither do they kidnap 200 school girls in Nigeria. Neither do they go and rampage pillage through villages in Nigeria. Neither... the list could go on and on.

I always smile when someone tells me, yeah Islam.. but these Christians, atheists, hindus, they also have bad people! Like it's even remotely comparable haha.

p.s. why do you say Christians and then Catholics? Last time I checked Catholics are Christians. :lol:
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Don't tell Herman about that last part, or God might smite you down.
 
"Britain will be next."

I get slightly nervous when I hear these British accents. Who knows what acts they'll convince those in the uk to commit.

Step up the air strikes and kill them all.
 
Penna said:
On a big international Catholic website which has been reporting the atrocities, I saw some of the worst images I've ever seen on the internet. Parents cradling the headless body of their toddler (a little girl in a frilly pink dress, a detail which made it even more poignant), and a naked woman being held over a big bowl by half a dozen men - her throat had been slit and they were letting her bleed to death. There was also a picture of a little line of children's bodies, all had been beheaded. These were not grainy images, they were clear pictures. So it's all true, and worse. I am not easily disturbed by these things, but they were truly shocking pictures.
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You have to be careful Penna. As harrowing as the images are, there has been a lot of misinformation going around so we have to be careful when attributing these crimes. I know the website you're referring to and the images you've mentioned. The particular image of the women having her throat slit has been found to been dated by several years and from what I can gather, was committed by Buddhists.

Still shocking, mind you. But there's a lot of misinformation right now. Groups pointing fingers and vice versa.
 
Penna said:
On a big international Catholic website which has been reporting the atrocities, I saw some of the worst images I've ever seen on the internet. Parents cradling the headless body of their toddler (a little girl in a frilly pink dress, a detail which made it even more poignant), and a naked woman being held over a big bowl by half a dozen men - her throat had been slit and they were letting her bleed to death. There was also a picture of a little line of children's bodies, all had been beheaded. These were not grainy images, they were clear pictures. So it's all true, and worse. I am not easily disturbed by these things, but they were truly shocking pictures.
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Yes, these things do happen and jabhat al nusra have done some atrocious things. I don't doubt these things happened but I do doubt that it was ISIS behind these things.
 
Phil Jones Face said:
You have to be careful Penna. As harrowing as the images are, there has been a lot of misinformation going around so we have to be careful when attributing these crimes. I know the website you're referring to and the images you've mentioned. The particular image of the women having her throat slit has been found to been dated by several years and from what I can gather, was committed by Buddhists.

Still shocking, mind you. But there's a lot of misinformation right now. Groups pointing fingers and vice versa.
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I am surprised beyond surprise to read that such an act could have been committed by Buddhists. :(
 
Phil Jones Face said:
You have to be careful Penna. As harrowing as the images are, there has been a lot of misinformation going around so we have to be careful when attributing these crimes. I know the website you're referring to and the images you've mentioned. The particular image of the women having her throat slit has been found to been dated by several years and from what I can gather, was committed by Buddhists.

Still shocking, mind you. But there's a lot of misinformation right now. Groups pointing fingers and vice versa.
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Maybe the woman was killed by Buddhists which in my opinion I wish them the same death but the children are from the middle east. They aren't animals but monsters with no soul and cowards, I would like to know how the fecking Saudis feel about this? They are supporting them like they support al qaida and we (the rest of the world) complain a little bit but since oil=$$ who the feck cares!! Replacing the damn oil from something else would send the Saudis plus other countries to middle age, no more money to buy weapons and we the rest of the world wouldn't give 2 cents for them.
 
Also, some of the shit that African Christians and Buddhists are doing to Muslims in other parts of the world is just as bad, if not worse but those images are being passed off as muslims killing non believers lol
 
That video is shocking. At the end they threaten to kill everyone who doesn't convert to their crooked, loathsome version of islam? Yeah, really likeable group of people. And the West sits on its hands and continues to let this get bigger and bigger. Soon we will have a new great war, at this rate.
 
Some here are trying to justify the atrocities of these "Islamic states" by saying, "well African Christians and buddhists and stuff do it too like." Its not ok for anyone to do it. Can you imagine if we didn't have any of these religions anymore? The world would be a better place.
 
*Herman flies into the thread to attack Rykker.*
 
Rykker_4united said:
Some here are trying to justify the atrocities of these "Islamic states" by saying, "well African Christians and buddhists and stuff do it too like." Its not ok for anyone to do it. Can you imagine if we didn't have any of these religions anymore? The world would be a better place.
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I'm not justifying anything. People on here are saying that Muslims value a Muslim life more than a disbelievers but if you ask a Muslim then I swear they will tell you that most countries, or people, don't value Muslim life at all.
 
Rykker_4united said:
Some here are trying to justify the atrocities of these "Islamic states" by saying, "well African Christians and buddhists and stuff do it too like." Its not ok for anyone to do it. Can you imagine if we didn't have any of these religions anymore? The world would be a better place.
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Nobodies trying to justify atrocities. We're just saying you have to be careful when attributing these atrocities to a particular group, when others are behind it and the images are dated by several years. It's dangerous.
 
Relevated said:
I'm not justifying anything. People on here are saying that Muslims value a Muslim life more than a disbelievers but if you ask a Muslim then I swear they will tell you that most countries, or people, don't value Muslim life at all.
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Phil Jones Face said:
Nobodies trying to justify atrocities. We're just saying you have to be careful when attributing these atrocities to a particular group, when others are behind it and the images are dated by several years. It's dangerous.
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Have the African Christians threatened the Western world's livelihood yet? Let me know when they do, because right now ISIS and the like are genuinely interested in killing us all for being 'infidels'. The world would be a better place without people like that. I don't like for anyone to die but these people are sick and there is no cure for the kind of sickness they have.
 
Relevated said:
I'm not justifying anything. People on here are saying that Muslims value a Muslim life more than a disbelievers but if you ask a Muslim then I swear they will tell you that most countries, or people, don't value Muslim life at all.
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Seriously? That's one hell of a persecution complex. Delusional, basically. I can't believe any educated person living in a first world country could say that and mean it.
 
Rykker_4united said:
Have the African Christians threatened the Western world's livelihood yet? Let me know when they do, because right now ISIS and the like are genuinely interested in killing us all for being 'infidels'. The world would be a better place without people like that. I don't like for anyone to die but these people are sick and there is no cure for the kind of sickness they have.
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What has them threatening the west got to do with anything? The west isn't innocent either, by any means. When they were urinating and smiling whilst posing with bodies of Muslims then was it okay? You can not directly compare the two and say one is a bit worse than the other.
The African Christians have committed atrocities and so have ISIS. The victims have been innocent people.
 
How long do we have to wait before there's a terrorist attack on a Western nation?

It's going to come if this issue isn't sorted out.
 
Relevated said:
What has them threatening the west got to do with anything? The west isn't innocent either, by any means. When they were urinating and smiling whilst posing with bodies of Muslims then was it okay? You can not directly compare the two and say one is a bit worse than the other.
The African Christians have committed atrocities and so have ISIS. The victims have been innocent people.
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Actually, I would wholeheartedly and with extreme confidence say that ISIS is a worse evil. Maybe there are people in the Western world who are scum but that happens everywhere. The average Canadian, American, Englishman, etc. isn't evil, we don't kill people or persecute people for their beliefs. We don't force people to do anything they don't want to do. So how are we equals to groups like ISIS?
 
Suli said:
How long do we have to wait before there's a terrorist attack on a Western nation?

It's going to come if this issue isn't sorted out.
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Not long I'd imagine. Maybe then someone will do something about this.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seriously? That's one hell of a persecution complex. Delusional, basically. I can't believe any educated person living in a first world country could say that and mean it.
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I've been meaning to quote you in the last 20 mins but basically earlier you asked who the isis targets with their recruitment and I addressed a bit of it yesterday. I'll bring the post up when I'm on my laptop. These guys know exactly what they're doing and have planned every little thing in order to attract anyone they can.
 
Rykker_4united said:
Actually, I would wholeheartedly and with extreme confidence say that ISIS is a worse evil. Maybe there are people in the Western world who are scum but that happens everywhere. The average Canadian, American, Englishman, etc. isn't evil, we don't kill people or persecute people for their beliefs. We don't force people to do anything they don't want to do. So how are we equals to groups like ISIS?
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Lol I didn't say the west is equal to Isis and if I did then I got caught up in the moment but what I mean is that the murder of a Muslim doesn't justify the death of a non muslim and vice versa
 
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