All part of their master plan to lure us to Dabiq, of course.
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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http://www.meforum.org/6344/turkey-land-grab-wish-list
(...)In another speech, Erdogan said:
What did all that mean, especially at a time when the Turkish president was reminding everyone of Misak-i Milli every other day -- and when the allies were planning to launch an offensive to drive ISIS out of Mosul? It means Sunni Turkey fears future Shiite (and Kurdish) expansionism along its southern borders with Syria and Iraq; to counter that, Erdogan hopes to build a pro-Ottoman, Sunni region against Iranian dominance.(..
The usual propaganda machines are trying to suggest that the people in East Aleppo "don't want to leave", even though their own journalist who was sent on the ground to watch the ceasefire reported this (with videos):
For some reason though, in Mosul it's totally different, and it's only there where it's ISIS holding civilians hostages as human shields.
For some reason though, in Mosul it's totally different, and it's only there where it's ISIS holding civilians hostages as human shields.
Ah the old there are people who are of the same ethnic origin as us in these areas so we have to protect them. Where have we heard that before?
A well-known Irish Islamist Khalid Kelly blew himself up in Mosul. He'd been a sidekick of Anjem Choudary's - basically represented al-Muhajirun in Ireland - and appeared on RTE a few times as well as featuring regularly in the tabloids as 'Taliban Terry' (his name was Terence Kelly). Pretty shocked he made it to Iraq as he was moaning in the press a couple of years ago that he had had his passport taken by the government here.
http://m.independent.ie/world-news/...e-fighting-in-mosul-isis-claims-35190395.html
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http://m.independent.ie/world-news/...e-fighting-in-mosul-isis-claims-35190395.html
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Did he have a batmobile?
Keep eye on those Irish nurses in Riyadh....
Propaganda? The chance for free healthcare? I have no idea bro
A story too good to be true – The toy smuggler of Aleppo’s jihadist connections, made-up stories and an orphan project run aground
Aid worker Rami Adham has gained international recognition for helping orphans in Syria. However, an investigation by Helsingin Sanomat finds that Adham has misled the public, has tight links to jihadist groups and his Aleppo orphan project also has many irregularities. Adham denies the claims.
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/a1477021713106
A few snapshots from the whatsapp messages he exchanged with his friends in Finland (which were examined by IT experts as part of the investigation who confirmed it's authenticity).
More messages and details in the article.
Aid worker Rami Adham has gained international recognition for helping orphans in Syria. However, an investigation by Helsingin Sanomat finds that Adham has misled the public, has tight links to jihadist groups and his Aleppo orphan project also has many irregularities. Adham denies the claims.
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/a1477021713106
A few snapshots from the whatsapp messages he exchanged with his friends in Finland (which were examined by IT experts as part of the investigation who confirmed it's authenticity).
More messages and details in the article.
spot on with everything he says.
This attack seems to be over as the Syrian army is the one on the offence now having already recovered areas Al-Nusra and Jaish Al-Fatah held before this attack. No significant gains made by Al-Nusra and Jaish Al-Fatah during the whole battle apart from two small areas the Syrian army look close to recapturing now. And as usual, zero coverage for the "rebels'" crimes against the civilians in Western Aleppo.
In the mean time, Russia hasn't launched any airstrikes in Aleppo for 21 days now. Still waiting for Kerry to "separate the moderate rebels from Al-Nusra". Things could change in the coming days though.
On the other side of Aleppo, a new development is worth watching in the near future. Al-Bab is a major city/town held by ISIS right now. It's now surrounded by Turkish forces (and their "rebels") from the north, Kurdish forces (SDF) from the West and the Syrian army from the South. It's also located at about the same distances from all three forces. The location of this city or town is very important and strategic. Turkey needs to capture it to stop the Kurds in the East and the West from joining forces. The Kurdish forces need to capture it to have any hope of uniting their forces in the East and the West. And the Syrian army needs to capture it to stop Turkey from advancing further into Syria. It will be interesting to see if there will be a race to capture it, and what will happen if the approaching forces get close to each other.
Damn, I had no idea the SDF from Afrin had advanced that far east. Aren't the main body of the SDF in the east preparing for a move on Raqqa?
I thought the Kurds had already moved on raqqa?
They are, reportedly with some US special forces. However it's the Kurdish forces on the Western side who will be pushing towards Al-Bab.
The SDF have reportedly started their operations towards Al-Bab, with a small (insignificant) advance so far. The Turkish backed forces already started their operations and captured a village on the way. And there have been some reports that the Syrian army is also sending troops to the area to prepare for an operation soon (the operation hasn't started yet though, and there is no confirmation about an imminent operation either). Here is an approximate map for the area (Green: Turkish forces, Yellow: Kurdish forces, Red: Syrian army, Black: ISIS).
The only thing that got reported was, that there are some clashes in the northern periphery of Raqqa to prepare further steps. I don't think that the Kurds are taking Al Bab that would be quite mental and pit them against the turkish army on a large front.
Agree. I don't think this conflict will be solved militarily, but rather politically. You take this I get this, with Russia being the main mediator. I expect Turkey to capture Al-Bab in the end, with certain guarantees in return (drawing some unofficial lines).
However, if a race is on the horizon then the first sign would be the Syrian army making a move (it's a little closer than the Kurdish forces and can flank Al-Bab from two sides). So far, I don't see serious signs of an imminent operation. Let's wait and see though.
EDIT: By the way, the Turkish backed forces already clashed with the Kurdish forces and tried to advance West, but they met strong resistance from the Kurdish forces, and after a few days of fierce clashes the Turkish backed forces stopped the attack and changed their direction to head South for Al-Bab.
They are, reportedly with some US special forces. However it's the Kurdish forces on the Western side who will be pushing towards Al-Bab.
The SDF have reportedly started their operations towards Al-Bab, with a small (insignificant) advance so far. The Turkish backed forces already started their operations and captured a village on the way. And there have been some reports that the Syrian army is also sending troops to the area to prepare for an operation soon (the operation hasn't started yet though, and there is no confirmation about an imminent operation either). Here is an approximate map for the area (Green: Turkish forces, Yellow: Kurdish forces, Red: Syrian army, Black: ISIS).
Just to be clear, is that SDF force coming in from the West connected with Afrin? Or is it isolated from Rojava altogether? If the former, no way in hell the Turks will watch them take al-Bab.
I have seen similar maps and they always were connected to Afrin.
Yep, obviously must be! I remember ages ago there was a small Kurdish enclave all alone in the north-east suburbs of Aleppo city, seems like it might still be there, but like I said before, I had no idea the Kurds had moved that far east out of Afrin - I thought it was only the regime dividing Idlib from the rebel-held Azaz area.
Connected. And that's why I think even if it's gonna be a race (unlikely) then it will most probably be a race between the Turkish backed forces and the Syrian army.
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the kurds still hold this one district in Aleppo between the lines (Sheikh Maqsoud - kurdish enclave in the city). They pushed east from Afrin a few month ago when the rebels were busy. They imo coordinated that with Assad or took a very convenient timing. the bottom line is, that they hold this line/territory for some time without major changes. They thought for a short time about pushing further to Azaz, but the noises out of Washington/Ankara/rebels were pretty clear, that this would be a bad idea so they stopped.
the kurds still hold this one district in Aleppo between the lines (Sheikh Maqsoud - kurdish enclave in the city). They pushed east from Afrin a few month ago when the rebels were busy. They imo coordinated that with Assad or took a very convenient timing. the bottom line is, that they hold this line/territory for some time without major changes. They thought for a short time about pushing further to Azaz, but the noises out of Washington/Ankara/rebels were pretty clear, that this would be a bad idea so they stopped.
http://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/iranian-commander-met-pkk-leader-in-iraq-news-report-2560823
quite significant if true.
quite significant if true.
FAO Trump - Please, please don't 'bomb the shit out of ISIS'.
We finally got this, don't feck it up for us
We finally got this, don't feck it up for us
Syrian rebel in Austria on 20 civil war murder charges
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37935451
Terrorist you say? Not FSA freedom fighter? Interesting.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37935451
Terrorist you say? Not FSA freedom fighter? Interesting.
Oh so now you're going to fight Al-Qaeda in Syria (or at least pretend to). A bit late in it?
You must've missed the first round of air strikes a few years back.
Donald Trump Likely to End Aid for Rebels Fighting Syrian Government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/world/middleeast/donald-trump-syria.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/world/middleeast/donald-trump-syria.html?_r=0
A handful of airstrikes that target specific members (only a handful of them) years ago does not count as fighting Al-Qaeda, and since then, not only he did not even do that, he and his allies, directly and indirectly, supported and funded Al-Qaeda all this time (repeating what the US did in Afghanistan). And now he thinks "the US should fight Al-Qaeda" in Syria?
I wouldn't bank on it. Let's wait and see on that.
The US directly helping AQ for years, and now just fighting them as a pretense? Have you missed the 21st century...?
Directly, maybe/maybe not. Indirectly with full knowledge of it, absolutely (and not just in Syria, Yemen also). Is that any better?
Slightly, but not much.
Sudden change of policy after Trump won the election...
What happened to his pro-jihadi foreign policy?Just cleaning up witnesses, less people knowing the truth is alive better is for him.
They might tell something or worse, Russians might get them.
In Syria:
- The US directly supported and funded the fighters that later became Al-Nusra.
- The US directly supported and funded the fighters in the groups fighting with and/or led by Al-Nusra.
- The US directly supported and funded fighters who later officially joined Al-Nusra.
- The US allies supported and funded Al-Nusra non-stop during the whole conflict (with the US knowing fully about it).
- The US supported its allies who supported and funded Al-Nusra, and sold them arms which they re-directed to Al-Nusra (with the US knowing fully about it).
- The US applied political (and financial) pressure on countries fighting Al-Nusra.
I don't think at this stage anybody would argue about any of these points at least.
So the US funding rebels that later joined Al-Nusra and being allies with countries whose elite funded Al-Nusra equals directly supporting AQ? That's quite a leap in logic.
They were six points, not two. They are more than enough to know the US not only weren't seriously fighting Al-Nusra, they were clearly helping them in one way or another (during the Obama administration) and using them to achieve their political goals in Syria (just like they did in Afghanistan). What's the difference between selling weapons directly to Al-Nusra, or selling them to Saudi Arabia (knowing fully where it's headed) who then send them to Al-Nusra? What's the difference between arming Al-Nusra or arming a group that is led by Al-Nusra?
I mentioned these six points because they're pretty much public knowledge now, but they're still enough if you read them carefully and understand their consequences. There might be even more going on in secret, but we don't even need to talk about it when we already know this much.