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ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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What is happening in Aleppo right now?
Twitter is going crazy. Lots of people there tweeting that it's their final message.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveAleppo?src=tren&lang=en-gb
Twitter is going crazy. Lots of people there tweeting that it's their final message.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveAleppo?src=tren&lang=en-gb
I'd like to know too. So many conflicting views. How to know which tweets/reports are valid is nigh on impossible.
Aleppo has pretty much fallen to the regime with the remaining civilians trapped in a small enclave.
We'll see how it pans out over the next few days.
Aleppo is finaly free. Thank God
A quick Google search shows that Eva Bartlett is a journalist/activist with ties to Russia Today. The rest of the results do little to restore any kind of credibility.
So why are you posting this without giving us this very, very relevant background information?
Just to wind you up mate
Actually, I simply posted a link to a tweet I saw. Having watched it I thought it interesting enough to post. I didn't do any vetting - and bow to your greater knowl... quick google search.
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Free from who and what?
As far as I can tell, the government of the country, with Russian assistance has retaken control of Aleppo from a disparate force of armed militia. I thought the fight was supposed to be against ISIS. I very much doubt they are among the victors. The anti-government forces were reported to be holding civilians hostage and to have had sniper positions on the top floors of hospitals. It rings true to me. It's the sort of thing I'd expect of ISIS/AlQaeda. Hopefully now, with this victory for the government forces, order will be restored and life can get back to normal for the civilians - just as in other parts of Aleppo.
A lot of people are very afraid of the regime, people that protested against them or had ties to the movement to the protests have been jailed, tortured or murdered by the Syrian government. Also foreign militias that are working with the Syrian army are bloodthirsty sectarian Shias, so you can understand why local Sunni's are afraid. There are already reports of hundreds of men going missing in gov controlled areas. Don't take my word for it or the other propaganda being thrown around, do your own research .
Good question, that's exactly what the Russians said when they entered the war but haven't done anything but bomb civilian areas.
I just saw videos on facebook of syrian government bombing civilians. I am quite confused (again) now even though I thought I knew what was going on. If Syria retakes control of Allepo, wont the rebel fighters fight back?
Although this article is bashing STWC, it has some useful information on what has been going on regarding human rights abuses in Syria.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ghting-for-syrians-russia-assad-a7461316.html
So who are they fighting at Palmyra and Deir ez-Zor?
Ah... Tatchell. He's written some controversial stuff over the years. The stuff on adults having sex with minors was very troubling indeed.
Free from the biggest scum (jihadists) on the Earth in the last 50 years.
I keep seeing accusations of crimes committed by the government forces against civilians. The only motivation I can see for that would be if the so-called civilians were actually so-called ISIS and their allies. We don't see so many reports in MSM about the defeated forces. I've seen footage claiming to show jubilant civilians celebrating their liberation. It is really hard to form a properly balanced view of what is actually going on. We need Kate Adie or someone like that actually in there. Oh for the old days when we had a BBC we could be really proud of.
Or maybe these people don't want to be governed by a murderous tyrant and are being killed for it. Of Course you won't see that angle.
If you look at the BBC source, it's the UN, the same source you were propping up just a page back.
There are plenty of foreign shia militias fighting over there so there are motivating factors other than the one you've stated.
Alas... when I dug a bit deeper into those UN reports all I saw were "unconfirmed reports". Look yourself. Tell me where there is some decent reporting and/or footage - not just "someone we don't know said something".
All sides in this conflict have repeatedly lied, misled, and staged propaganda for the benefit of Western eyes. There are no sources on any side in the actual conflict zone who can be reliably believed. The anti-government/rebel/jihadi side have had far more success selling their narrative in mainstream Western media than the pro-government side, although there has been a very slight shift in emphasis recently as the true nature of the rebel forces fighting Assad has become basically impossible to ignore. But again it can't be stressed enough, especially as I've a feeling this thread is about to descend into a tit-for-tat parade of atrocity accounts, videos and tweets tailored to each opposing narrative, that no source coming from either/any side of the conflict zone can be trusted.
Anyway now seems a good time to take stock of where the conflict stands right now, although the conquest of Aleppo has been on the cards since Russia decided to intervene last year, and has probably been inevitable since Obama decided NOT to intervene in 2013. Assad has now regained control of Syria's four major urban centres of Homs, Hama (he never lost it in this conflict), Damascus (as with Homs although there are pockets of rebel control around the outskirts) and now the biggest Aleppo. Since he retains the coast and the Alawite hinterland now seems secure, he is at the point where he has achieved his minimal targets needed in order to retain whatever legitimacy he has left - nobody can said to 'rule' Syria without controlling these four cities.
The question remains can he go on to take back the rest of the country or will Syria be partitioned? The 'rebels' - mostly al Qaeda actually - remain in control of Idlib province and smaller areas between Aleppo and the Turkish border, as well as some pockets south and west of Damascus. ISIS retains vast although underpopulated territory in the north and east. And the Kurds remain in control of their Rojava enclaves, although their dream of linking the isolated Afrin enclave with the rest is dead due to Turkish intervention in the north. So the big question on the cards now is - who gets to take Raqqa? The Kurds don't want to although they're probably the best equipped. Assad would love to but it's not clear he has the capability right now or that the Russians are interested in helping him. There are some credible rumours that the Kurds and Assad have agreed to allow Turkish-backed rebel forces march on Raqqa in exchange for a guarantee of Kurdish autonomy and a free hand in Aleppo respectively. But the Iraqi government has also promised to chase ISIS into Syria and would be opposed to a Turkish puppet-entity in Raqqa and the east. So major conflicts still potentially lie ahead, although my guess is that some sort of de facto, unofficial partition will eventually be consolidated, possibly before the next decade.
In any case, a Turkish-backed march on Raqqa is now about the only thing that can salvage this disastrous war for what remains of the 'mainstream' anti-Assad opposition. Their fate was sealed very early in the 'revolution' when they embraced al Qaeda, and they're now probably going to go down as one of history's losers.
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As I said, if you look at the UN report, it says they are "unconfirmed".
So what after this? Russia/Assad will take Idlib and thanks to the new friendship between Trump/Putin the regime will continue in the power?With some kind of amnesty for the rebels
By "rebels" I take it you mean ISIS, AlQaeda and their allies? I don't think amnesty's likely.
I mean the free syrian army and similar groups(if there are still not corrupted by Isis/Alqaeda)
Assad catching a lot of flak for Aleppo, will the Iraqis face the same for Mosul? After all, there are also tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands in that city.
It too is a door to door, block by block operation and is being torn apart.
It too is a door to door, block by block operation and is being torn apart.
Feck you, seriously.
Aleppo doesn't have isis fighters so this comparison is stupid.
It's true, anyone who is okay with killing 100k under sieged civilians in Aleppo can go feck themselves.
Where do you people get that regime is fighting ISIS? Its not true at all, when isis entered Palmyra two days ago they left without fighting, the only ones fighting isis are Turkey and the rebels, you people all have agendas feck this thread.
Did I mention ISIS? FSA? Or any opposition combatants in either city? I purposefully only referred to the nature of the fight and the destruction the city and anyone inside it would be facing.
now who's 'stupid'
And you don't?
Tbf, I'm ok with you having an agenda - being Syrian you actually have a dog in this fight, unlike 99% of the people on either side of this.
How do you know? Is it just what you want to believe? If you have something to back up your assertion, let's have it. Or we'll have to assume you're full of shit.
What I mean it's different when you are fighting real terrorist groups than fighting rebels who are from the same city trying to protect their families, isis is making the world keep a closed eye on regimes horrible genocides.
I have friends who live in Aleppo who verified this.
Which part?
So saying civilians shouldn't be killed in massive genocide is an agenda? Do you really think I have a personal gain from regime falling and rebels wining? It's been since 2011 since regime was doing crazy shit without being held accountable by the world, I never said rebels are perfect but they are no where near as bad.