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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Not when they are likely to bring in Bale and Suarez and still have Ozil and Ancelotti's favorite, Kaka.

Isco will only end up there if like Canales, he doesn't know what is good for him.
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And you do? :lol:

I don't believe that both Bale and Ronaldo will be at Real next season. However, you are correct that if Bale joins then he won't be the first choice. He'll have to fight with Bale and Ozil for either positions.

The same might be true at City too. He'll have to compete with Silva, Navas, Aguero, Tevez and Nasri (if he stays).
 
He's miles better than Nasri though, there won't be much competition here. City will probably play 4231 next season and Isco will be a guaranteed starter.
 
Who will warm the bench? Tevez? Aguero?

In their 4-2-3-1, they'll play Silva to the left, Tevez/Aguero in the center and Navas on the left. If reports are to be believed, they are in the running for another top class striker, who will play up top. How will he be a guaranteed starter?
 
Shinjisan said:
Who will warm the bench? Tevez? Aguero?

In their 4-2-3-1, they'll play Silva to the left, Tevez/Aguero in the center and Navas on the left. If reports are to be believed, they are in the running for another top class striker, who will play up top. How will he be a guaranteed starter?
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Tevez, obviously, although I believe he's finally going to leave this Summer (most likely going to PSG or Monaco).

He's better than Navas too.
 
Shinjisan said:
May be.

Still too many good players for too few positions, IMO.
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Some will suffer but it won't be Isco if he joins. Pellegrini loves him, he'll be the first name on the sheet.
 
If City get a striker like Cavani, then its basically the main situation he will be in with Real. If they dont get a striker, then its easier to integrate him into the team.
 
Sarni said:
He's miles better than Nasri though, there won't be much competition here. City will probably play 4231 next season and Isco will be a guaranteed starter.
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Do you really believe that?. Sure Isco is a good player but people are overrating him massively from 1 decent season in La Liga, and a good champions league run.

To say he is miles better than Nasri is just plain silly really. Nasri has done it in the Premier League for 2 different leagues in 4 seasons. Isco still has it all to prove IMO.
 
We really should be going in for Isco. He's a special talent and would strengthen our first team. Very young, technical and exciting. Ticks all the boxes...
 
Adam-Utd said:
Do you really believe that?. Sure Isco is a good player but people are overrating him massively from 1 decent season in La Liga, and a good champions league run.

To say he is miles better than Nasri is just plain silly really. Nasri has done it in the Premier League for 2 different leagues in 4 seasons. Isco still has it all to prove IMO.
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I guess he meant to say was that Isco has better potential and has more of an upside to Nasri.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Do you really believe that?. Sure Isco is a good player but people are overrating him massively from 1 decent season in La Liga, and a good champions league run.

To say he is miles better than Nasri is just plain silly really. Nasri has done it in the Premier League for 2 different leagues in 4 seasons. Isco still has it all to prove IMO.
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Yes, I really believe that. Outside half a season at Arsenal when he was unplayable Nasri hasn't really come close to a very high level. At City he's been just above average, and I don't buy into 'he's done it in Premier League' argument - it's not like PL is some sort of wonder league where only the best can cope. The last three attacking midfielders from La Liga who came to England have torn this league apart, possibly even more so than they did in La Liga.
 
Sarni said:
Yes, I really believe that. Outside half a season at Arsenal when he was unplayable Nasri hasn't really come close to a very high level. At City he's been just above average, and I don't buy into 'he's done it in Premier League' argument - it's not like PL is some sort of wonder league where only the best can cope. The last three attacking midfielders from La Liga who came to England have torn this league apart, possibly even more so than they did in La Liga.
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Nasri has been pretty shit at City. But i would not say Isco is better.
 
Mainoldo said:
Nasri has been pretty shit at City. But i would not say Isco is better.
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So Nasri has been shit for two years yet Isco who has been pretty great during that time isn't better? How does that work?
 
Sarni said:
Yes, I really believe that. Outside half a season at Arsenal when he was unplayable Nasri hasn't really come close to a very high level. At City he's been just above average, and I don't buy into 'he's done it in Premier League' argument - it's not like PL is some sort of wonder league where only the best can cope. The last three attacking midfielders from La Liga who came to England have torn this league apart, possibly even more so than they did in La Liga.
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Sarni said:
So Nasri has been shit for two years yet Isco who has been pretty great during that time isn't better? How does that work?
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Isco has had a better season than Nani.. Is he better than him too?
 
Mainoldo said:
Isco has had a better season than Nani.. Is he better than him too?
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Completely different, considering Nasri has had a handful of good games at City and only ever had the half season spell where he looked good throughout his whole time in the premier league. He's not very good actually, despite being good technique wise. Isco has been consistently better ever since he broke through into the first team.
Nani has been injured all year pretty much and never got a good run. For what its worth, I wouldn't say Nani is much better but they are different players.
 
Shinjisan said:
And you do? :lol:.
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Huh:confused:

Shinjisan said:
I don't believe that both Bale and Ronaldo will be at Real next season. However, you are correct that if Bale joins then he won't be the first choice. He'll have to fight with Bale and Ozil for either positions.
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Even if Bale doesn't go there he won't be benching a Di Maria and it's doubtful he will bench Kaka with Ancelotti in charge.

Shinjisan said:
The same might be true at City too. He'll have to compete with Silva, Navas, Aguero, Tevez and Nasri (if he stays).
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Difference is at City he will have a manager who trusts him and will definitely use him. Especially even as the first man off the bench at worst.
 
Anywhere Bale goes he will be a starter. He will not give the same production goal wise at the bigger clubs because he will have to share the ball and the team won't be built around him as much. He needs to add more to his game in terms of creativity. But his pace and power will really stretch teams. Wenger sees his best position still as a winger.
 
With his ex Milan manager possibly coming in, he may play him a lot more than Mourinho did. Kaka wasn't ever part of Mourinho's plans, he just wasn't his type of player. But with Ancelotti, he was his main man at Milan, even if that was over 5 years ago. This could be a great restart to Kaka's career, or it may be too late, who knows.
 
Red Shorts said:
With his ex Milan manager possibly coming in, he may play him a lot more than Mourinho did. Kaka wasn't ever part of Mourinho's plans, he just wasn't his type of player. But with Ancelotti, he was his main man at Milan, even if that was over 5 years ago. This could be a great restart to Kaka's career, or it may be too late, who knows.
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Manager isn't the problem, Kaka is. Kaka from 2004-07 would easily be one of the first names on the sheet, be it under Mourinho or Ancelotti, current Kaka doesn't have a hope.
 
We should really be going all out to get this guy, he was quite good last night
 
100 said:
We should really be going all out to get this guy, he was quite good last night
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I have been quite dubious about him, but last night he showed exactly what he is all about.

He has that Silva like agility and balance, but seems more able on both feet, and is better at taking on a man by himself.

Absolutely loved that flip-flap down the line passed the defender :drool:

Still though 1 game against a weak Russian team does not prove much.
 
He'd be a big hit in Premier League just like Mata, Silva and Cazorla.
 
It would be criminal not to make a bid for him, especially if Nani leaves!!!
 
Never seen him play. However my presumption was that he was a bit Kagawa-like?
 
It's a shame we seem to have zero interest in this player, he's the type of creative inside forward that is such an integral part of the modern game and of which we only have one.
 
I've seen bits and pieces of him in the past without being wholly convinced. He showed what he could do last night though.

Nani's flair, without Nani's pace, but with added teamwork and consistency. Maybe.
 
Will Absolute said:
I've seen bits and pieces of him in the past without being wholly convinced. He showed what he could do last night though.

Nani's flair, without Nani's pace, but with added teamwork and consistency. Maybe.
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That is the best description I have seen to be fair. But teamwork is a poor word, I think defensive positioning is much more accurate.

Nani works hard for the team except when he has been benched for too long and wants to prove a point.
 
Red Shorts said:
With his ex Milan manager possibly coming in, he may play him a lot more than Mourinho did. Kaka wasn't ever part of Mourinho's plans, he just wasn't his type of player. But with Ancelotti, he was his main man at Milan, even if that was over 5 years ago. This could be a great restart to Kaka's career, or it may be too late, who knows.
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Kaka is very much a Jose Mourinho type of player - a goalscoring attacking midfielder, like Frank Lampard at Chelsea or Wesley Sneijder at Inter. Mourinho built Chelsea around Lampard, and signed Sneijder then built Inter around him. His problem seems to be mental, a lack of confidence - whilst he doesn't seem to be a big ego kind of bloke, he may have an inferiority complex surrounding Ronaldo joining Madrid so soon after him when all and sundry thought the Kaka transfer would be the BIG ONE of the window - suddenly, he became a footnote, part of a statistic, rather than the awe-inspiring new Galactico,mot say thing of the purchase of Ozil just one year later.

His statistical record at Madrid is still very good - over a goal or assist every two games (29 goals and 32 assist in 120 games). In fact, this is marginally better than Sneijder's record at Inter of exactly one goal or assist in every two games (22 goals and 36 assists in 116 games) and better still than that of Lampard at Chelsea who comes in at just below the one-in-two (203 goals and 91 assists in 606 games), neither of whom are considered to have been flops at these clubs.

If Isco does choose Real, I wouldn't be at all upset to see us move for Kaka for the right price. His attacking record is still terrific, and goodness knows we could use a decent attacking midfielder!
 
He's been bossing it tonight, do not want him at City.
 
I don't believe our scouts looked at Isco and thought he was too slow and ineffective, he's easily quick enough and creates chances in the final 3rd, not to mention he's only 20.
 
The next Spanish superstar...he is going to be something special. It is that quickness of thought inside his head but also the ability to make something hard seem utterly simple.

If our scouts took a pass at him then I would be fairly concerned about the brief they are provided with. Can't be true.
 
Not fast enough was the verdict apparently. Valencia-style kick and run is the way forward.
 
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