Will never happen, football will lose a lot of supporters if it will, will be so boring to play every year the same teams
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Logic and experience would tell you that the first year being “free” will suck people in then subs will be introduced, low at first then continually increasing year on year till they hit their sweet spot. I have no doubt it’s built into their calculations. No doot aboot tha
I would put the newly promoted teams into the competition in the middle league rather than the bottom one.
I'm in favour of only the elite sides (based on performance) moving up to the top league and staying there (based on performances in the competition) I think that would be interesting.
It's a possibility yes. I'm judging the proposal on what has been proposed.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but if the “top tier” of European football was almost entirely detached from domestic campaigns, I’d be a lot less interested.Now we have another competition to own!
Also: meh. Madrid was one of the founders of the CL/EC in the first place. Eventually I don’t think that much will change for fans with the ESL. If it ever gets off the ground that is. All the ‘I’ll drop football and go watch some sunday league” is grade A bullshit and about as believable as the ‘boycott Qatar WC!’ stuff.
When it comes down to it, all those people will just tune in when their club is playing. Again: assuming this all goes through.
I’m much more interested in the details mentioned 2y ago. Iirc the idea was automated offside like at the WC and VAR audio to be broadcast.
I got legitimately emotional hearing the CL anthem before our opening group game after so many years out of it. It was meaningful because we earned our way back in over 38 games. Being there because we finished 14th out of 16 teams the year before would have next to zero significance.
It is ridiculous. The whole system.
Would Barcelona and Real Madrid be supporting this if we say that first clubs to play in this competition from Spain would be Getafe, Extremadura, Cartagena or Eibar?
I guess that is one of the aspects they could still modify and debate about. Nothing is set in stone anyway.
Like relegate 6 teams and the champions only get in. If you relegate out of the Star division AND not make top 4 in the domestic league, you’re gone entirely. Plenty of adjustment will be made I think to make this gain more support. Isn’t the UEFA moving towards a similar setup next season anyway?
Get Hans Zimmer for a new anthem.
It still comes back to it will keep the glazers at United longer. So stop arguing for it you gimps
So how many clubs have officially said no?
It’s not just a possibility - it’s virtually nailed on. A22 are funded by JP Morgan Chase with a multi billion investment. They aren’t pumping that money in out of the goodness of their hearts.
Starting with low or free pricing and then raising that once you’ve cleared out the competition is business 101. To the extent that it would be more of a challenge to name a company that hasn’t raised the prices once they achieved market dominance.
I mean, I’d be interested if you could think of a single example.
Football doesn’t lend itself to ads. 100 minutes where you can’t sell any inventory is a nightmare for advertisers. It’s the complete opposite of American Football in that sense. There’s a reason that the current deals are split between free to air with no ads (BBC), dedicated subscription (Sky / TNT) and bundled subscription (Amazon).
The only time ads work is when the matches feel like event television (UCL and international tournaments on ITV). But ITV eventually stopped bidding for UCL because it doesn’t make economic sense.
ESL will have to charge a subscription fee eventually. It wouldn’t even necessarily be about greed. It would be about survival.
The E.U pretty much stripped UEFA and FIFA of actual power and has turned football into boxing that has W.B.O and W.B.C and whatever.
the ESL will open the floodgates to ALL money
If this SHIT happens, I will stop watching football.
That crap is not football and I have no interest in whatever garbage football will turn into, if that takes off.
Even just on physical level, what kind of idiot thinks players can fly around the world and still perform?
That crap is not football and I have no interest in whatever garbage football will turn into, if that takes off.
Even just on physical level, what kind of idiot thinks players can fly around the world and still perform?
Yeah. Whether there’s a ESL or not. This has opened the floodgates for other corporations to be formed.
Won’t be long until Saudi Arabia are involved
In this years UCL we have the champions of:I guess that is one of the aspects they could still modify and debate about. Nothing is set in stone anyway.
Like relegate 6 teams and the champions only get in. If you relegate out of the Star division AND not make top 4 in the domestic league, you’re gone entirely. Plenty of adjustment will be made I think to make this gain more support. Isn’t the UEFA moving towards a similar setup next season anyway?
Get Hans Zimmer for a new anthem.
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Fixed that for you
I think it’s given the clubs a lot more power. But I don’t think there’s much appetite to burn it all down and start again from anyone outside of Real / Barca and possibly Juve. All of the other clubs want to maximise their revenue / control of the current system. It works pretty well for them.
Why, thank you.
Speaking of 11. N/A that might be a sign of things to come. A European superleague will render the average fan unable to travel to most games with the costs involved and frequency so we will end up with games like the current Old Firm games, which are basically pointless.
Yeah it’s a genuinely devastating blow for those federations.
You’re having a giraffe. The whole thing is one big money making exercise, more so than UEFA and the PL.
I watch football for entertainment mate. I don't care that much about the politics surrounding it anymore as I thought you may have worked out by my pro-Qatar support.
Reading up on the new proposals, how does that work when the only two fixtures are Real Madrid v Barcelona and Barcelona v Real Madrid?
They probably are involved, and possibly why PSG don't want in.
Get fecked UEFA and FIFA
People who actually love the sport for sports reasons should get together and start something new.
People who actually love the sport for sports reasons should get together and start something new.
Fair enough, it wasn’t really aimed at you personally but you can bet TV rights would be auctioned to the highest bidder and would likely be a subscription service or pay per view. You don’t get owt for nowt these days!
+ a clasico set on neutral soil, in Saudi Arabia!!
They’d just do the top 5 leagues. Again; not saying I have the answers. But adjustments will most likely be made to push this through.
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The ‘dreams cant be buy’ crowd do know how the current PL started yes? Kinda ironic all this hysteria.
Im very skeptical of MUFC's statement and their true intentions.. They showed in the past they are more than happy to jump onto something like this make them unbelievable amount of ££ (which they desperately need)
The Glazers were up there with Perez spearheading the initial SL idea. It doesn't make sense to claim to not be interested now. I say give it time and their stance will slowly change if the league starts to get some backing.
The Glazers were up there with Perez spearheading the initial SL idea. It doesn't make sense to claim to not be interested now. I say give it time and their stance will slowly change if the league starts to get some backing.
All they have to do is declare they won’t have VAR and they’d have most English fans begging their club to join.
Relegation will be off the table once this is up and running, imo.
Tebas also of the mindset that the matches will not be free to view.
Adjustments can be made but the ESL would be losing credibility. They already had one failed attempt, in spectacular and now a second attempt that looks like it will fail just as quickly too.
I don't think Barca and Real Madrid can keep coming back with different iterations of the ESL until everyone is happy. I think fans, media and other clubs will get fed up if this is the approach.
They are claiming the existing model is currently flawed but chopping and changing their own format and ideas at each turn.
Good point, the whole PR and focused strategy needs to be there for this to get going.
I don’t care much either way. Whether it is the CL or ESL. Just want to enjoy good football and bonus for my own team to be on top. All the politics surrounding this stuff has been tiring.
I am sure a lot of small clubs will be happy to join them. If it is merit based, I don't see the reason for backlash especially when UEFA themselves are changing UCL for more money. I don't trust UTD and Liverpool owners that they have no intention to join this league. Maybe they are just testing the waters. Interesting time ahead.
If they promise to ditch VAR I'm in.
Didn’t they say the ESL would have a host of different referees than the usual suspects and VAR would be implemented differently? Like with audio broadcast? I seem to recall reading that back with the original announcement.
The PL didn't alter the league structure or promotion/relegation etc. The equivalent would be the top clubs taking over the CL and just rebranding it whilst keeping the format the same. This isn't that.
If a club like Braga or Girona or Aston Villa win their domestic league they would not compete against the best but would play in Blue League, an european third division? Is this it?
Those who say the ESL would be a good idea because things have become a bit stale haven't really thought it through.
Those who say the ESL would be a good idea because things have become a bit stale haven't really thought it through.
I mean it's pretty obvious for anyone with half a brain that it will be free with decent viewing conditions the first year or couple of years, and then will transition more and more to paying options. They'll either scrap the free option entirely, or they'll make it so shit compared to paying options that it will become entirely obsolete very soon.
It's probably one of the few clear things from this ridiculous proposals.