94 and another 20 for Spain.
Is Ramos the most overrated CB in history?
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94 and another 20 for Spain.
Because people rate him for his goals and not for his defending ability which is average at times.
Getting to Koeman and Hierro levels.
People rate him for his overall contribution to a game of football which is ultimately the most important thing in football and it’s second to none. He’s a match winner whether he scores or not. Is there better defenders than him from a purely defensive point of view? Sure.. But overall he’s one of the best ever defenders.
They took a lot more set pieces I think. I know he scored a free kick today, but Ramos is a monster in the box from corners and free kicks. To think Madrid had Ronaldo and Ramos in the box attacking for all those years - quite some task to keep both of them quiet.
He is a legend and has won everything there is to win, individually and as a team on every stage. It doesn't matter what some weirdos on the caf think, when his success tells the story and he was overall one of the best CBs around for a decade. He won't win the 'most charming fella on the pitch award', but who cares. It is all about winning, which he has done in spectacular fashion at times.
Yeah of course. Ramos only started taking set pieces this season on a regular basis.
Real's defense has been fairly eh without him this season.
He's had a great defensive season too. Him and Mendy are key to why their defense has been so good in La Liga.
I'm seeing people calling him a World Class Defender? He's a great player to have during set pieces but he's not a great defender same way as Mihajlovic wasn't a WC defender but still great to have because he was a set piece expert.
There’s more to Ramos than just defending. He’s literally controlling games from the back at times. Despite him being an absolute mad man who has crazy amount of red cards, he’s actually a very calming influence on the back four and the keeper. That’s not factoring his drive to win at all costs and keep on winning. That’s just part of his mentality that he has with him. He’s not Maldini of course but he’s by no means an average defender. He has been very, very good throughout his career. Add his amazing goal scoring ability and you’ve got yourself a generational footballer — which he clearly is. He hasn’t been a mainstay at Real Madrid for no reason. They’ve had no problems replacing players if they’re not cut out for that level. His achievements in the game do the talking for him.
Thread makes me laugh every time I see it
Overrated as a defender. He can score a million panenka's, that doesnt change anything. Real winning 3 CL's in a row wasnt because of their unsurmountable defense. It was because of that Portuguese dude up front. As for Spain, we all saw how that went after Xavi and Iniesta got old.
Him and Pique tumbling over each other while Robben shot it past Casillas almost made up for 2010.
Almost..
Ramos is still a world class player of course, but you can be world class and overrated at the same time.
He's like the Heineken of football.
Him and Pique tumbling over each other while Robben shot it past Casillas almost made up for 2010.
Almost..
Ramos is still a world class player of course, but you can be world class and overrated at the same time.
He's like the Heineken of football.
Sergio was the hero in 3 of the 4 CL finals we won recently actually
Koeman scored well over double what Ramos is on.
He’s a great defender, but notably Madrid have never had an all time great defence while he’s been there, the goals they concede every season hasn’t been on par with some of the best defences we’ve seen, although it’s been pretty good this season(I think).
That doesn't fit my narrative though, so, nuh-uh!
Seriously though, yes he's good, but not one of the best defenders ever. He's amassed around a thousand red cards, that alone kind of puts a dampener on your defending prowess.
I obviously also dislike the guy, so I might be a bit biased, but objectivity is boring anyway.
They conceded 7 goals in the entirety of the 15-16 CL, which they won. That's pretty darn good imo.
I agree . I saw it again and I'm in disbelief everytime I do. Not liking a player is fine but to say he isn't anything special is just hilarious
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Whatever you think of him as a man. That is absolutely crazy! So many goals for a CB/RB Jesus!
He overtook him in la liga but Koeman scored many goals before , besides Ramos spent years being a right back without contributing as much in attack
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Koeman scored over 200 goals for club and country. Ramos might finish his career with around 100.
Ah gotcha, yes of course. Misinterpreted the post I was responding to.
Now do this analysis for every CL/League season
I did this back when I was firmly in the "Ramos is an extremely overrated defender" camp. I can't be arsed to dig it up
Can't really be arsed, was just responding to someone who said he'd never been part of a great defense. If you win the CL and concede 7 goals in 13 matches I'd argue that's pretty fecking good.
Yeah sorry I had a brain fart there.
To tease a bit to the overrated camp, what do you think - if we win la liga and beat City - to give him the Ballon d´Or this year? 
A great prize for his career
A great prize for his careerGreat defender. Best active defender currently. For the chaos that Madrid defence historically been, Yet Ramos still excels, Hardly can any defender survive in Madrid. Cannavaro after winning WPOTY looked very average in Madrid defence
I don't mind and was always a big Ramos fan, even in his RB days. He definitely deserves to go down as one of the best CBs of all time, his stats, accomplishments and playstyle are very unique.To tease a bit to the overrated camp, what do you think - if we win la liga and beat City - to give him the Ballon d´Or this year?
Varane is having his best ever season imo and deserves a lot of the credit too. Plus Valverde in midfield is probably the biggest difference to past years. Ramos is at his usual high level, it's just that it's easier to look better as a defender when you've got more protection and Madrid are more balanced this year than they've been for pretty much the entirity of the last decade.
Ramos is a legend from head to toe. Someone like Pique who has been at the same level or probably even a higher level for most of the past decade will rightly be remembered as the lesser player.
In literally no universe is Heineken world class.
Fair point on Valverde. He has been huge for them this season since Modric has waned.
2018 he looked pretty bad for the Liverpool goal tbf. Not sure injuring Salah and concussing Karius makes him a hero
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/289...o-ramos-i-considered-man-utd-move-for-a-while
A shame his exit wasn't closer a few years ago
Easily the best centre-back in the last 10 years.
A shame his exit wasn't closer a few years ago
Easily the best centre-back in the last 10 years.
He really started playing CB with 26/27 years. I wonder what would have happened if He started at 20 years (The record for red cards would be through the roof). Sometimes it seems to me so distant the time in the right back...
We conceeded 6 in 07/08 which you could argue was one of the finest backlines assembled in football history... so yeah, 7 aint bad.
Really? I thought it was way earlier, but Ramos is already 34 so it makes sense. Time flies real fast.
Exactly! Arguing that Ramos has never been a member of an elite defense is just nonsensical.
I have a suspicion that those who think he is overrated only watch RM now and then, i cant imagine why he would be overrated in the eyes of someone who watch most of their games.
Have you guys seen the RM defence without Ramos the last few years? They are noticably worse, just that fact alone says a lot.
Have you guys seen the RM defence without Ramos the last few years? They are noticably worse, just that fact alone says a lot.