Cool. So you don't have a clue basically and are making baseless assumptions.
Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year
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Cool. So you don't have a clue basically and are making baseless assumptions.
He’s done it for the past 12 months what’s another year and a half when you’re getting 100K a week ?
You know for a fact the cynicism regarding this thought process is nonsense. You don't work your way to becoming a starter for Manchester United to just give up on your career at age 28, no one would, and Lingard is no different.
With someone like Phil Jones I understand the situation completely - we were stupid to give him a big deal on big pay when he was an average player and a permanent crock. Now we’ve resisted our error, nobody will take him because they don’t want to pay a fee, they don’t have the money to pay his wages and even if they did, who’s gonna take w chance on him? From Phil’s point of view, considering his body is made of papier-mâché, he’s probably happy to sit in the stands and collect his money.
Jesse Lingard, on the other hand, has something to give. Even this season it’s clear to see that when he’s played he’s still “lively”. By that I mean he still comes to collect the ball, still has good fitness, still has the basic abilities of a professional footballer. I am VERY surprised that nobody wants to take a chance on someone that I genuinely believe with some new surroundings and consistent game time, can get back to his England level of a few years ago. I’m also surprised that he doesn’t want to do just that but I guess maybe that’s where his home life/mental health issues come in.
Jesse Lingard, on the other hand, has something to give. Even this season it’s clear to see that when he’s played he’s still “lively”. By that I mean he still comes to collect the ball, still has good fitness, still has the basic abilities of a professional footballer. I am VERY surprised that nobody wants to take a chance on someone that I genuinely believe with some new surroundings and consistent game time, can get back to his England level of a few years ago. I’m also surprised that he doesn’t want to do just that but I guess maybe that’s where his home life/mental health issues come in.
Honestly, without being too harsh on Jessie because we all handle things differently, the following things have happened to him in the last 2 years:
- Mother got ill
- Grandad got ill (stated as a father figure)
- Girlfriend got pregnant
- Business is doing shit. £300k in debt.
- Jose sacked, Solskjaer hired.
- Was bollocked by Solskjaer for his social media activity
If we look at the things that he hasn't caused himself, so the sickness and let's say pregnancy. These are pretty normal things that happen to us all at some point in our life, except he doesn't have to work double shifts and weekends to pay for his incoming child. These things are much easier to deal with when you're rich and can throw money at your problems.
If he's still having personal problems they're problems he's caused to himself.
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The best case scenario here is that he goes on loan for the remainder of the season and does reasonably well. If so, someone may well be prepared to take that chance on him, at a relatively low transfer fee, in the Summer. However, my strong suspicion is that he may be difficult to move, given his wages, and that extending his contract will just mean paying him for an extra year, before he leaves on a free anyway.
There’s a difference between “taking a chance” on someone and paying them a figure which would make him one of the higher earners at most premier league clubs. I suspect that there would be plenty of clubs willing to take him on loan, with us subsidising his wages, but less keen to currently buy him, particularly if his wage demands remain consistent with his current salary.
The best case scenario here is that he goes on loan for the remainder of the season and does reasonably well. If so, someone may well be prepared to take that chance on him, at a relatively low transfer fee, in the Summer. However, my strong suspicion is that he may be difficult to move, given his wages, and that extending his contract will just mean paying him for an extra year, before he leaves on a free anyway.
Phil Jones ?
Exactly
It also sounds like he has an inflated opinion of himself, possibly because of his salary, and thinks he is too good for some pl teams
Really!?!
He is awful, and rarely ever scores or creates anything for someone who is an AM/Winger, there is no interest because other clubs aren't stupid enough to pay him the wages we pay him for such little output on the field
Hes a grown man and we all face adversity.
A pregnancy isnt a bad news story.
His business is exactly that and its not an excuse for his lack of form
The part about the managers is football - happens all the time so again its on him to double down his efforts.
He just did the opposite.
Isn't the only PL team he's been rumoured to have turned down Sheffield United, who are probably on track to be the worst PL team of all time? I can't blame him for not wanting to go to a team in that much trouble as, unless he manages to completely turn around their season, that would probably be worse than sitting in the stands here in terms of building interest from others.
There were also rumours that Newcastle and West Ham might be interested and those are more the teams that he should be looking at. If they do decide to go for him I'd be disappointed if he turned them down.
He's permanently injured, why would he leave? What's he going to do? Sit on the dole until he can play football again? Completely different situation.
Not really both are happy to collect their nice pay packets.
No wonder he's been out of sorts if someone else got his missus up the duff
The same Jota who went to Liverpool and has so far scored 9 goals in 17 appearances?
No wonder he's looking to go abroad!He's in a very though spot at the moment, the manager lost faith on him, he's low on confidence, he's behind the pecking order by at least 4 players, most fans don't like him.
He won't be given time to regain momentum so he can't prove he's worthy of another chance (he's most certainly not). So I dont see any other option for him than to leave for another club if he wants to play, it's either that or remain here without being even on the bench.
He won't be given time to regain momentum so he can't prove he's worthy of another chance (he's most certainly not). So I dont see any other option for him than to leave for another club if he wants to play, it's either that or remain here without being even on the bench.
What did Jota do? I'm not following
He is supposed to be at his peak, it seems there are no takers for him at the moment. Find it strange considering he would improve the likes of West Ham or the like.
I would like to see him in the PL.
I would like to see him in the PL.
I think the issue is that HE doesn't want to go to the likes of West Ham, we'd probably happily sell him.
Well then it looks like he will leave on a free. Some of these players think they are better than they actually are.
Look at Perreira hardly getting game time at Lazio.
Ole granted him a full season to book himself up. He couldnt, someone elses turn
If there is going to be a Jesse Lingard exit, it won't be smooth. In Matt Law's recent article about Dele Alli, the final paragraph revealed a couple of details on Jesse Lingard's situation.
- United don't want to let Lingard leave for another PL/EL rival.
- Lingard frustrated at the lack of playing time and the prospect of missing out on Euro 2020.
I feel for him at this point. There was a time where it looked like his future would be bright, especially after the world cup. You have to wonder where it went wrong, was it his personal life? If so, I find that tremendously sad and hope he can kick start somewhere else. At times he had some lovely movement and link up play, where do people think he would suit? I think the space in La Liga would do him wonders.
He would fit in at Brighton or Southampton. Needs to leave.
If thats the case it's understandable, there are loads of clubs in the North West. I'm sure one of them will take him if he's prepared to lower his wages and maybe even drop down a division or two.
Lingard needs to reinvent himself as a player.
Also needs to dramatically decrease his focus on anything non-football.
Lastly, he may end up as a has-been very quickly, so he needs to reorganize his finances because it could be that it's all down from here.
Also needs to dramatically decrease his focus on anything non-football.
Lastly, he may end up as a has-been very quickly, so he needs to reorganize his finances because it could be that it's all down from here.
As a finance person, this is a load of nonsense.
Tbh he should just go to mls, get a decent salary and see out his days in the sun. I'm sure Becks would give him a game at Miami
He really wouldnt improve west ham though, they have bowen, antonio, benrahma, lanzini all orobably on a much smaller salary than lingard. Why would they want a player whose only quakity is being able to run round a bit? His level is relegation contenders
Lingard was, not that long ago, on line to becoming a really good player but somehow he managed to throw it all away, why, who really knows? Its clear he became obsessed with social media; obsessed might be too strong a word but he certainly had/has a preoccupation with it. Did it interfere with his football and demeanour as a player? What ever the answer its a pity both for him and Manchester United. I wish him well in his next club.
Exactly, no hard feelings Jesse. Just wasn't good enough in the end. Still a solid midtable PL player. Can give you a 6/7 out of ten performance in 3/4 positions.
Sounds strange.
1. United doesn’t want to weaken a rival?
2. Lingard won’t be playing Euro anyway
Why would the club not want Lingard go to another club ? It's not like we expect him to hurt us do we know ?
I agree, Im not making excuses for him, he got plenty of chances even more than he deserved and wasted them. All Im saying is he is in a though spot right now I dont see any other way for him besides leaving.
I think this goes back to Ole still valuing him as a squad member even if he doesn't play him much, similar to Mourinho with Alli. Still, I see no point in keeping someone who'd play up to 5 matches this season at best. He really doesn't add anything much to the current squad, anyways.
Wouldn’t Ole value additional transfer funds from his sale more? Even if it’s just 7-8m, they can be used for future transfers
I might have posted this before but I think he'd do well in certain teams with certain setups. Problem for Jesse is he's nowhere near creative or productive enough to be a number 10, and also isn't suited to playing as a proper winger or as a centre midfielder.
Basically, Jesse would do okay in a midfield 4 playing as an wide midfielder drifting inside. He'd probably do well at Southampton for example, who are a good side but you couldn't argue their wide midfielders are individually great or on another level to Jesse.
Basically, Jesse would do okay in a midfield 4 playing as an wide midfielder drifting inside. He'd probably do well at Southampton for example, who are a good side but you couldn't argue their wide midfielders are individually great or on another level to Jesse.
Good marketing this. We’re:
(a) giving the impression that the only reason that he isn’t off to Liverpool or City is because we wouldn’t want to sell him to them; and
(b) reminding everyone that Jesse is a full England international, even though he has no chance of being in the Euro 2021 squad.