Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year

I remember on another thread someone who is obviously more business savvy than me, (and Im doing this from memory so might not get it 100% right) said keeping the 'asset' on the books for as long as possible even if not playing, looks good on the finance sheet and keeps the share prices stable. If you offload all your deadwood it looks like asset stripping and can cause the shares to fluctuate irregularly. Keeping and extending the contract isnt for football reasons, its just financial. Thats how the glazers think and run the club. Its all to do with getting the maximum financial benefit.
This wouldn't be true for Lingard as he would have a book value of zero, given he has no acquisition cost. It would be true for Jones / Rojo / Darmian etc who were bought from another club.
Wouldn't be true for either. Transfer fee is amortized over the life of the contract.
 
I remember on another thread someone who is obviously more business savvy than me, (and Im doing this from memory so might not get it 100% right) said keeping the 'asset' on the books for as long as possible even if not playing, looks good on the finance sheet and keeps the share prices stable. If you offload all your deadwood it looks like asset stripping and can cause the shares to fluctuate irregularly. Keeping and extending the contract isnt for football reasons, its just financial. Thats how the glazers think and run the club. Its all to do with getting the maximum financial benefit.
Something that drains your money without returns is liability not asset.
 
Just don't get this club. Between Romero and lingard we prob could've got about 20 million or so over the summer window. Plus had their wages off the books. All this while costing us literally nothing on the field. Another year older and another year of not playing only kills their combined value. We keep doing this shit as a club and it adds up
 
He can easily play for the likes of Fulham , West Ham or Sheff Utd. He will be an upgrade over their existing players. We can get easily 10mil with 1yr left on his contract. The club just got to be a lot more savvy, ruthless and forward thinking when dealing with deadwood.
I think the main issue is where we think Lingard should go and where he thinks he deserves to be and what his salary should be.

If it was as simple as sending him to Fulham on £50k a week it would have happened already
 
20% chance - £10m+ sale. Seems optimistic in current transfer market but might happen, especially if he goes out on loan this Jan and performs well.

20% chance - £3m to £9m sale. May be what United are expecting to occur.

20% chance - minimal fee that covers the wages United pay Lingard from July to transfer date

20% chance - loan with United having to contribute towards Lingard's salary (cost to United £2m+)

20% chance - Lingard rejects all the offers he gets, deciding to stay until his contract is up (cost to United £5m)

Giving each scenario a 20% chance seems wrong but I don't have a feel for which scenarios are more likely.

Personally, I wouldn't have made use of the + 1 year option as I think his form, his above market rate wages and the current financial state of football clubs makes a sale in the summer problematic to say the least.
 
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Wouldn't be true for either. Transfer fee is amortized over the life of the contract.

It would be true if you bought said player. Say you buy a player for £15m, give him a 5 year contract. Down to £3m with one year left, extend contract by two further years, he'd only go down to £2m in the books instead of down to £0 the following year, so the business has only lost £1m in the P&L compared to £3m (ignoring wages).
 
It makes sense actually. Either way, we’ll have to pay his wages till the end of this season at least, and this stands us in a better stead to demand a transfer fee. Even if it’s something like £5m, it’s still a good, economical decision. Now, what would be really concerning is if we gave him a 3 year contract next year like we did with TFM.
 
If we had extended his contract for 4-5 years I'd have said it is the worst thing that happened in 2020 but triggering 1 year option is not that bad. Hopefully he'll be gone at the end of the season though.
 
You would hope that he has been working on that during training.
He was pretty good for England as well and nobody really wants to see such taken wasted.
Still feel his best would come with a move away despite his contact extension.

At best, he can hope for a impact sub role here. That could be useful if he's motivated. But a change of scenario would do him good after so many years.
 
This is definitely just an attempt to protect his value.

I remember we did the same for Fellaini in January and he was gone by the summer.
 
I doubt in this case anger is towards lingard, it is mainly the united board and their idiosyncrasy. Because he is not even appearing on bench means it cannot be a footballing decision, it has to be either financial or emotional. Either is stupid thing to do. It is not like he is poor, he is financially well off and can live happily ever after. He is an expired product so chances of some club paying 10m+ for him is unlikely. Then why keep him on the books? Say thanks for everything and part your ways. That's life.

And if club has 70k+/week to donate then donate that to Rashford's charity ffs.
This
 
Some of you need to calm down.
He'll be gone for a nice fee either in Jan or the Summer.
 
We will never get rid of players like him or Jones, with their contract extended till the end of their career
 
Nice interested in signing him on loan in January according to Sky Sports
 
Nice interested in signing him on loan in January according to Sky Sports
Of which Lingard isn't interested apparently because the clubs showing interest are Nice and Sheffield United, and he's pitched himself to Inter and Milan. There's a big gap between where he thinks he should be playing and where people know he can play.
 
Of which Lingard isn't interested apparently because the clubs showing interest are Nice and Sheffield United, and he's pitched himself to Inter and Milan. There's a big gap between where he thinks he should be playing and where people know he can play.
I think there is also going to be a gap in what we hope to get for him, in terms of a transfer fee, and what anyone will be willing to offer at the end of the season.

We have been down this road so many times before with players hanging around too long. We really shouldnt have extended his contract given how large his salary is
 
I think there is also going to be a gap in what we hope to get for him, in terms of a transfer fee, and what anyone will be willing to offer at the end of the season.

We have been down this road so many times before with players hanging around too long. We really shouldnt have extended his contract given how large his salary is
I think we're happy to get him off the books at this point whatever the cost. I also think he would prefer to run his contract down and secure a move to a bigger team that don't want to pay a transfer fee for an experienced player, which is why we've taken the additional year on his contract to force him out this summer when a bid comes along.
 
I don't think Lingard will be keen to leave the area he lives due to his family commitments tbh!
 
I think we're happy to get him off the books at this point whatever the cost. I also think he would prefer to run his contract down and secure a move to a bigger team that don't want to pay a transfer fee for an experienced player, which is why we've taken the additional year on his contract to force him out this summer when a bid comes along.
If we are happy to get rid of him at any price then we shouldnt have renewed his contract and just let him go in summer for free

We have given him a massibe contract and no one else will pay as much so there is a good chance he will just sit out next year or we might have to pay some of it off
 
I personally dont think he is that bad where he is only attracting the interest of Nice.

It must be his wages but still I feel he could offer something to some clubs; maybe not during a pandemic though.
 
He’s 28 now too so needs regular football, playing in the french or Italian league would appeal to me if I was him.
 
Ducker said there hasn’t been any contact with Nice, also says we’re not looking to force him out this month.
 
If he goes, good luck to him. I like Lingard as a guy and think he's dialed down the immaturity a considerable amount lately. He deserves to continue his career somewhere nice.
 
If we are happy to get rid of him at any price then we shouldnt have renewed his contract and just let him go in summer for free

We have given him a massibe contract and no one else will pay as much so there is a good chance he will just sit out next year or we might have to pay some of it off
They didn't renew his contract, they trigged a one year extension, which cost United nothing to do. His contract was up in the summer of 2022, not this summer. So he would have been happy to sit on that for 6 months and get himself a free transfer in sorted in January. Now he has to leave this summer or sit on the bench for a full of 18 months, which is career suicide.
 
Something that drains your money without returns is liability not asset.

That's not how the club sees it. I'm not a finance person, so take this next bit with a grain of salt. To us fans that watch regularly, we firmly believe no one is paying more than 10m for him. However, he is 28, English, and an important member of the squad that got to the semi-finals of the WC 2 years ago. The price for a similar profile player is somewhere between 30m and 50m, which is probably what the club have him down in their books as (maybe even more). I don't think any auditor is going to argue too much with that valuation. So if you take his 3.5m wages, it's still a net positive for the club. If you let him walk away for free, his wages are no longer being paid, but the loss in asset value is greater. Do something similar for 3 or 4 players, even if they are not playing, and the clubs books looks a lot healthier to the shareholders.
 
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Of which Lingard isn't interested apparently because the clubs showing interest are Nice and Sheffield United, and he's pitched himself to Inter and Milan. There's a big gap between where he thinks he should be playing and where people know he can play.

Reminds me of Danny Rose's conversation with Levy in the docu series :lol: (was the best bit by far)
 
They didn't renew his contract, they trigged a one year extension, which cost United nothing to do. His contract was up in the summer of 2022, not this summer. So he would have been happy to sit on that for 6 months and get himself a free transfer in sorted in January. Now he has to leave this summer or sit on the bench for a full of 18 months, which is career suicide.
He would hardly be the first player to sit out their contract in the stands at the expense of their career
 
He would hardly be the first player to sit out their contract in the stands at the expense of their career
I think it's well documented Lingard is no longer welcome at the club, it would be extremely moronic to sit out a 2 year contract. This would essentially be his last contract if that were the case, and with a clothing company that is currently £450k in debt I'm sure he wouldn't want to see out his final playing years at a Championship club on £20k a week.

He'll be gone this summer. Watch this space.
 
I think we're happy to get him off the books at this point whatever the cost. I also think he would prefer to run his contract down and secure a move to a bigger team that don't want to pay a transfer fee for an experienced player, which is why we've taken the additional year on his contract to force him out this summer when a bid comes along.

Why not just................wait until the summer then? His contract would hav e ran out this summer if we didn't trigger it.

The answer to why he was extended is very uncomplicated: Asset management and squadplayer status.
 
Just curious. Lingard is still a fit player and with potent skill to score or create opportunity. Why is he not wanted by Newcastle or WBA or Fulham, even on loan? Newcastle or WBA, he can probably stay at his current house.
 
Similar to Jota. Gifted player who screwed himself. Well done Jesse. Truth be told he lacked courage. TheEnd!
 
You could see his career was going in this direction for a long time.

I never understood the logic of spending so much energy on a clothing line and social media presence, when the success of those two things will generally come down to how good you are on the pitch. It feels like he gave those priority, lost his way in football, now has blown his chance with the first time, which will inevitably mean his clothing line and social media presence will fail.

Who are the people around him? Why didn't they give him better advice? Where was his agent?

It's a pity because at one point he looked like he was going to be a great player.
 
Just curious. Lingard is still a fit player and with potent skill to score or create opportunity. Why is he not wanted by Newcastle or WBA or Fulham, even on loan? Newcastle or WBA, he can probably stay at his current house.
They probably want a better player then what they would get for the wages he would demand. Renewing his contract is absolutely moronic decision imo.
 
Just curious. Lingard is still a fit player and with potent skill to score or create opportunity. Why is he not wanted by Newcastle or WBA or Fulham, even on loan? Newcastle or WBA, he can probably stay at his current house.
Because he went a year without scoring or assisting which is not a good look for a player who plays in his position