Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year

He loves the lifestyle of being a United player, but he has never been good enough. It’s no coincidence that a better team and better performances have come from replacing the likes of Lingard with better players.

I am sure he is perfectly happy to enjoy being a United player and everything that comes with that for the next 18 months.

It was a perfect opportunity to say thanks and let him go and show everyone that things have changed. That United isn’t a place to sit back and be comfortable anymore. Old habits die hard unfortunately.
 
He peaked a few years ago and won’t find that form again without a decent run of games. Unlikely with our current depth chart.

Since we’re seemingly determined to get something for him, a loan for the rest of the season might improve his value in the market.
 
mazhar13 said:
Did I say something wrong? I just named two clubs off the top of my head. If I wanted to, I could name many more after doing some more research.

EDIT: Oh, the Caf scout. Nah, I recently became one along with two other regulars.
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Haha, yeah I meant the Caf thing, I wasn’t questioning your football knowledge :lol:
 
He can easily play for the likes of Fulham , West Ham or Sheff Utd. He will be an upgrade over their existing players. We can get easily 10mil with 1yr left on his contract. The club just got to be a lot more savvy, ruthless and forward thinking when dealing with deadwood.
 
Seems like a foolish exercise in accountancy to me, but then I know nothing about accountancy.

Terrible player who's legendary 'Purple Patch' wasn't even all that and occured over 3 years ago.

Seems like we should be learning the Jones lesson here, but what can you do.
 
Of course he will get his contract extend. Typical approach from the club. And of course he is such a valuable player, just like Phil Jones etc
 
I am surprised by the general reaction here to be honest. People are taking this as either rewarding low performance or of making money based decisions instead of footballing ones. Let's take a step back and see what will we stand to gain this season by opting for the automatic extension of Lingard's contract.
  • Not breaking the great chemistry we have going within the squad; I know Lingard is a peripheral figure but suddenly freezing him out when we are in the middle of a great run is a needless risk especially when the media starts dissecting the reasons for it
  • Having him available to play during a pandemic where some clubs have lost several squad members to the virus; I would rather pay his salary than risk fielding 10 players for a game
  • We may eventually get an offer for him during the summer and offload him during the break instead of doing this in the middle of a season; worst case we continue to pay his salary for one more year
  • We may not get anyone during the Jan transfer window to bolster the attack; he may yet play a role if injuries, covid, fatigue take their toll for the remainder of the season
What we stand to lose:
  • Pay Lingard the same salary he earns today for one more year provided he isn't able to get a transfer to a club that would play him (i.e., money)
So all we stand to lose is money and yet people think that we are making money based decisions. I don't believe that Woodward is holding out for a transfer fee because the probability for it is low and he isn't an idiot.
 
Couldn't find anyone to take him last summer so why will this be any different?

No way we'd get a decent fee for him anyway considering his wages. This club needs to be a lot more ruthless, players like him and Jones should have been replaced years ago.
 
Maybe it's so he can command some sort of fee in the summer? can't see him actually being in the squad
 
My goodnes, what an absolutely embarrassing decision. We will never rid ourselves of Lingard, Jones, Rojo because our incompetent owners.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Haha what a load of old shite
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Keep your emotions aside. This is logically the position we’re in - not favourable but it is what it is. It’s the only reason they’d give the fraud a new contract.
 
Mindhunter said:
I am surprised by the general reaction here to be honest. People are taking this as either rewarding low performance or of making money based decisions instead of footballing ones. Let's take a step back and see what will we stand to gain this season by opting for the automatic extension of Lingard's contract.
  • Not breaking the great chemistry we have going within the squad; I know Lingard is a peripheral figure but suddenly freezing him out when we are in the middle of a great run is a needless risk especially when the media starts dissecting the reasons for it
  • Having him available to play during a pandemic where some clubs have lost several squad members to the virus; I would rather pay his salary than risk fielding 10 players for a game
  • We may eventually get an offer for him during the summer and offload him during the break instead of doing this in the middle of a season; worst case we continue to pay his salary for one more year
  • We may not get anyone during the Jan transfer window to bolster the attack; he may yet play a role if injuries, covid, fatigue take their toll for the remainder of the season
What we stand to lose:
  • Pay Lingard the same salary he earns today for one more year provided he isn't able to get a transfer to a club that would play him (i.e., money)
So all we stand to lose is money and yet people think that we are making money based decisions. I don't believe that Woodward is holding out for a transfer fee because the probability for it is low and he isn't an idiot.
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Sorry mate but thats just bullshit, breaking a great chemistry? Who the feck in the squad would have a valid reason to demand an extension for Lingard?

Risking a virus breakout, well we used 9 non starters in the cup game and Lingard couldn't even get minutes there.

What do we gain? To raise the standard mate, to let everyone know you can't just be a freaking passenger in this team and get a free ride while being rewarded with an extension. Deals like this along with Rojo's and Jones' have make very clear that no matter how shitty you are if you're not about to retire ManUtd will always extend your contract.
 
Covid may have hampered his efforts to leave last summer, but is that going to change this year? I would imagine the financial hole left for clubs by Covid isn't going to disappear overnight.

At this point I don't think they are protecting value. In this environment who is going to fork out any real money for Lingard? The kind of clubs I can imagine would want him probably wouldn't have the cash to pay on top of the wages.
 
What difference does it make. When we were playing Lingard and Pereira game after game and they were absolute shite then it was a problem. Now Jones, Lingard and Pereira are getting 0 minutes. Seems a waste of money but as long as it doesnt affect transfers then they can hang around and be mascots for all I care. Plus with covid you never know we might need them.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
You say if he can find form, but his last bit of decent form was 7 weeks, 3 years ago, in the current climate who is going to take that kind of gamble, and it is a gamble.in the form he has been in for the last 3 years he improves nobody in the top flight.
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I agree he's disappointed in recent years, but lets be fair, the last months with Jose every one did, then he let himself down with his antics at time with Ole, drop in form, issues off the field, injuries, not been able to play his way into form, negative fan reactions, etc, it's not that hard to think he could get back into some sort of form again given a freah start.

Obviously the main hinderance is going to be a club matching his wages, and paying us a fee, but that doesn't mean the quality isn't there still given the chance, which is what alot of people are getting at.

When you see players like Walcott, Witlshire, Barkley, Carroll, Welbeck, etc, been given a new chance then I don't think it'd that much of stretch to think Lingard could be given the same opportunity.
 
Imagine being one of the players that plays week in and week out then gets bashed on social media for having a bad game. Meanwhile Lingard, Jones and Rojo have done feck all for years and continue to get paid handsomely for it.

We should have fecked him off. A waste of salary, a squad place and club facilities. And it would sent a message to anyone else thinking of coasting through a career here.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I agree he's disappointed in recent years, but lets be fair, the last months with Jose every one did, then he let himself down with his antics at time with Ole, drop in form, issues off the field, injuries, not been able to play his way into form, negative fan reactions, etc, it's not that hard to think he could get back into some sort of form again given a freah start.

Obviously the main hinderance is going to be a club matching his wages, and paying us a fee, but that doesn't mean the quality isn't there still given the chance, which is what alot of people are getting at.

When you see players like Walcott, Witlshire, Barkley, Carroll, Welbeck, etc, been given a new chance then I don't think it'd that much of stretch to think Lingard could be given the same opportunity.
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I don't think you can put 3 years down to a drop in form though, far more likely a return to his actual level. None of the players you mentioned have been as bad for as long as lingard.
 
Luke1995 said:
Yeah he used to make very good runs from behind into the box and he was scoring some important goals aswell

It seemed like he had turned a corner and his movement and on-the ball decision had improved. Maybe the system Mourinho used him in that improved him.

I don't know why Ole can't get the best out of him
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It was a fluke 8 week purple patch.

He's never been good enough for Utd
 
Feel a bit sorry for Lingard. Man United fan, local guy who has been at the club longer than any other player and yet the fans seemingly want him gone with some venom.
 
duffer said:
Feel a bit sorry for Lingard. Man United fan, local guy who has been at the club longer than any other player and yet the fans seemingly want him gone with some venom.
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its not a holiday home is it? Fergie sent Hughes, Ince Kanchelskis out it one season after the double. When we were ruthless and dominating
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I don't think you can put 3 years down to a drop in form though, far more likely a return to his actual level. None of the players you mentioned have been as bad for as long as lingard.
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I didn't, the bottom line is the club have given him the extra year for a reason, and it's not to just throw £100 k per week down the drain for another year.
 
duffer said:
Feel a bit sorry for Lingard. Man United fan, local guy who has been at the club longer than any other player and yet the fans seemingly want him gone with some venom.
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That doesn’t give him a by when it comes to a total drop in form though. Sure it’s a shame, but the shirt should be earned - he can’t cut it with us.
 
renandstimpyfan83 said:
Bizarre decision from both the club and the player. I actually think Lingard at his best is a useful player to have in the squad but the guy has 0 appearances in either the PL and CL and hardly ever even makes the bench anymore. Surely he could get himself a move to a Brighton and revive his career.
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If he would get paid less why would he do that
 
clarkydaz said:
its not a holiday home is it? Fergie sent Hughes, Ince Kanchelskis out it one season after the double. When we were ruthless and dominating
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I've no issue with Man United getting rid of players they don't deem good enough, that's got nothing to do with my post.

It's just sad to see someone like Lingard get so much abuse from fellow Man United fans.
 
Yet again we have a clear example of why Ed Woodward should be nowhere near our club. This was probably based on marketing or something. Pure idiocy.
 
We should get £10 million for him, then it’s probably the right thing, even if we get £1 million it’s better than giving him away.

One million pounds, gosh sounds a lot for Lingard.
 
I remember on another thread someone who is obviously more business savvy than me, (and Im doing this from memory so might not get it 100% right) said keeping the 'asset' on the books for as long as possible even if not playing, looks good on the finance sheet and keeps the share prices stable. If you offload all your deadwood it looks like asset stripping and can cause the shares to fluctuate irregularly. Keeping and extending the contract isnt for football reasons, its just financial. Thats how the glazers think and run the club. Its all to do with getting the maximum financial benefit.
 
Simply the club protecting an asset so they can get a price for it if they can. Who even knows what Jesse would be worth on the market, at one point you might have gotten 30 mil for him but it’s probably more like 15 mil I would think now.

saw this from Ole,

"'I think we have competition for places which means you can not go around thinking that you can just fake your way being part of this team because you only deserve to be in a team you contribute to”
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Simply the club protecting an asset so they can get a price for it if they can. Who even knows what Jesse would be worth on the market, at one point you might have gotten 30 mil for him but it’s probably more like 15 mil I would think now.

saw this from Ole,

"'I think we have competition for places which means you can not go around thinking that you can just fake your way being part of this team because you only deserve to be in a team you contribute to”
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That last bit, lets hope Ole sticks to his word and doesnt start giving game time for the sake of it.
 
Luke1995 said:
Yeah he used to make very good runs from behind into the box and he was scoring some important goals aswell

It seemed like he had turned a corner and his movement and on-the ball decision had improved. Maybe the system Mourinho used him in that improved him.

I don't know why Ole can't get the best out of him
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You would hope that he has been working on that during training.
He was pretty good for England as well and nobody really wants to see such taken wasted.
Still feel his best would come with a move away despite his contact extension.
 
duffer said:
I've no issue with Man United getting rid of players they don't deem good enough, that's got nothing to do with my post.

It's just sad to see someone like Lingard get so much abuse from fellow Man United fans.
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I doubt in this case anger is towards lingard, it is mainly the united board and their idiosyncrasy. Because he is not even appearing on bench means it cannot be a footballing decision, it has to be either financial or emotional. Either is stupid thing to do. It is not like he is poor, he is financially well off and can live happily ever after. He is an expired product so chances of some club paying 10m+ for him is unlikely. Then why keep him on the books? Say thanks for everything and part your ways. That's life.

And if club has 70k+/week to donate then donate that to Rashford's charity ffs.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Sorry mate but thats just bullshit, breaking a great chemistry? Who the feck in the squad would have a valid reason to demand an extension for Lingard?

Risking a virus breakout, well we used 9 non starters in the cup game and Lingard couldn't even get minutes there.

What do we gain? To raise the standard mate, to let everyone know you can't just be a freaking passenger in this team and get a free ride while being rewarded with an extension. Deals like this along with Rojo's and Jones' have make very clear that no matter how shitty you are if you're not about to retire ManUtd will always extend your contract.
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I disagree with your opinion but respect it, so won't call it "bullshit". No one in the squad would ask for an extension because it isn't an extension. He is not being "rewarded with an extension". It is an "option" that the club has decided to exercise to keep him as part of the club.

He would be free to talk to other clubs if we didn't do it so clearly the club thinks that being able to sell him for a fee or have him as backup is enough value to pay him the same wage he is on for another year.

If your point is this will affect meritocracy then it doesn't have any basis in fact. Lingard, as your rightly pointed out, is a peripheral figure and doesn't even make the substitute bench. The only thing we stand to lose is some money.
 
wolvored said:
I remember on another thread someone who is obviously more business savvy than me, (and Im doing this from memory so might not get it 100% right) said keeping the 'asset' on the books for as long as possible even if not playing, looks good on the finance sheet and keeps the share prices stable. If you offload all your deadwood it looks like asset stripping and can cause the shares to fluctuate irregularly. Keeping and extending the contract isnt for football reasons, its just financial. Thats how the glazers think and run the club. Its all to do with getting the maximum financial benefit.
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This wouldn't be true for Lingard as he would have a book value of zero, given he has no acquisition cost. It would be true for Jones / Rojo / Darmian etc who were bought from another club.
 
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