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IPL 2019
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
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Punjab are not going to win any fair play awards this season .
Top innings by Dre Russ and Rana. Comfortable win. Prasidh looks good. But KKR’s fast bowling is a bit weak.
I don't think anyone's got a great bowling attack to be honest.
Probably SRH. But KKR’s fast bowling has been a bit of an issue in the recent past. Nagarkoti and Mavi being fit would have helped. Devoid of any depth.
Never been a fan of Ashwin, and perhaps there are grounds to criticize him over the pause, but I'm really confused about all this over the top outrage over the Mankading incident. There’s an argument on whether or not Buttler was taking an advantage for the actual dismissal ball, but he had definitely done so on previous deliveries in the over.
Obviously this isn't limited to Buttler, it's becoming commonplace for batsman to set off early. So why are Batsman continually allowed to leave the crease before the Bowler releases the ball, without getting penalized? Where's the outrage over that being against the Spirit of the game?! As someone already mentioned, so many run-outs are decided by a matter of inches.
And then lots of people suggesting Buttler (or batsman in general) should have been warned first.. I don't get this line of thinking either.
It's such a Batsman-oriented game at the moment. Bowlers aren't given any warnings, why do Batsman deserve warnings?! In fact, I hope all these 'kids that are watching' are watching closely and be taught to watch the ball leave the bowlers hand before leaving the crease - as we have always been told. It's not difficult.
It's actually hilarious. Butler may as well have been standing at the other end. Rules and rules, Butler was out, simple as. The irony in so many ex-players such as Warne having a go at Ashwin. fecking hell, get a grip. Besides, the umpires had the last say and the ruled it as a fair dismissal.
Exactly this is what amuses me. If it was so wrong then umpire should not have given out. What's even more strange is umpire didn't even conuslt with the other umpire but just asked for review. Change the rules don't blame the players.
I also think most of the indian fans are hypocrites. Hating ashwin is an easy thing as people don't want to see him in the team as he is considered to be an old guard who some are bored of seeing. Heck pujara didn't walk off in a crucial ranji semifinals when he clearly edged the ball and the same people were saying it's the job of umpires to take the correct call but now all the focus is put on the bowler.
Fact remains he didn't cheat and the likes of shane warne have no business to even comment on someone else's character as he did far worse thing in his life. Change the rules if someone has so much problem with mankade. If anything these players should have tweeted their iutrage towards icc and not on a particular player.
We now have had a chance to review it in more detail and we think that Buttler was in his ground as Ashwin got into a position when the non-striker could reasonably have expected the ball to have been delivered. Ashwin seemed to pause to allow Buttler to go out of his ground and then obviously he put the wicket down; Buttler did not really make much of an effort to get back into his ground. It is one where we just felt the pause was just too long and therefore not within the spirit of cricket.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26374026/ashwin-pause-too-long-not-spirit-cricket-mcc
Comparision of two deliveries, butler was in if ashwin hadn't paused and stopped. The delivery should have been declared as a dead ball, the umpire got it wrong simples and ashwin is a cnut to get butler out this way.
But the fact is ashwin didn't make the rules. All this spirit of cricket thing becomes bs when the rule allows mankading. Ashwin didn't make the law, icc did. Yes ashwin should have given him a warning but that still doesn't explain why the umpire never even consulted with other umpire or even with ashwin saying this is first warning or declaring it a dead ball. Why didn't the third umpire interfere if they cared so much about the spirit of the game.
Like I said the reason there is so much outrage because the guy involved is ashwin (who is easier to hate) and the batsman was butler who was batting very well. If it ivolved bumrah mankading shreyas iyer there wouldn't be so much outrage. Fact is If shane warne, prasanna, Michael vaughan and others had so much balls they should question ICC and the stupid rules. All this spirit of the game crap is bs as you don't see batsmen walk when they edge the ball. What Ashwin did was nothing in comparison to what aussies in their peak used to and here we have shane warne commenting on someone's character and some people blindly backing him.
He literally paused to allow buttler to get out of the crease, if butler was running like he did previously nobody would make an issue out of it.
It just screams we can't get this guy out, let's cheat to do it. Same thing as diving to win a penalty. You don't blame the officials but the player. In this case, the fault lies with the third umpire and ashwin.
My question why even have such rules then. Why didn't the umpire say this is not out and let us carry on. The authority is with the umpires and they had to make the call not ashwin. What Ashwin did was jerkish, I am not disputing it but all the outrage towards one player doesn't make sense. I would not be surprised if such incident happens again. Unless ICC changes the rule it will not stop.
Cheating my fecking arse.
This is cheating.
This is cheating.
This is cheating.
What Ashwin did is completely within the fecking rules. As I said earlier, Butler may as well walk halfway down the pitch and if were to be given out, we can complain about the fecking spirit of the game.
STAY IN YOUR CREASE JOSEPH.
Mankading has happened before with less outrage, same thing happened to buttler in 2014 because at that point he was abusing the rules.
Cheating my fecking arse.
This is cheating.
This is cheating.
This is cheating.
What Ashwin did is completely within the fecking rules. As I said earlier, Butler may as well walk halfway down the pitch and if were to be given out, we can complain about the fecking spirit of the game.
Classic whataboutism but he didn't? Like if you want to make strawmen to justify something that should point out that you are in the wrong.
Strawman? You called him a cheater. Plus, he was given fecking out based on the replay that he had walked out of his crease for the FOURTH time in that over.
What ashwin did was not cheating. It was a cnutish act to wait but not cheating. Reminded me of Stewart stumping Lara in ODI match.
Yes, making up scenarios where butlter is halfway down the pitch and using that to argue a point is a straw man.
Also that last vid
Yes, making up scenarios where butlter is halfway down the pitch and using that to argue a point is a straw man.
Also that last vid
Check my edit.
Well duh, its a hypothetical. My point isn't that he WAS halfway down, it's that he MAY as well have been. Where does spirit of the game not apply? Can the batsman, under the spirit, be standing near the striker for an easy single? Or are you allowed to be standing 20 inches outside of your crease? Why don't we relax the no ball rule for bowlers? You can bowl from 20 inches ahead of the crease. Why isn't switch hitting considered cheating?
That is the definition of a strawman.
You also cant give somebody out based on factors he might have done before that ball, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and if the umpire took that approach he should be fired.
You called him a cheater. I didn't use a strawman to "defeat" you.
Anyway, MCC has come out and also stated that it was out. Unfortunately, everyone is crying about the Spirit of the Game which seems to only apply to India and Indian players. I'm looking at you Ian Bell. And I'm sure there was a recent one as well, last summer.
"Defeat" it's just a forum discussion mate, stop taking it so seriously
The post below is from MCC, you are letting your Indian bias overshadow your thought process. Not everything is a conspiracy or a witch hunt.
I'll try and find the video again but Ashwin has previous for this cnutish behavior. He did it in Australia, against Sri Lanka, in an ODI I think.
"Defeat" it's just a forum discussion mate, stop taking it so seriously
The post below is from MCC, you are letting your Indian bias overshadow your thought process. Not everything is a conspiracy or a witch hunt.
"SPIRIT OF THE GAME" i.e. we can't legally say it wasn't out so we'll spout some crap about it going against the spirit.
What are the LAWS regarding the pause?
Isn't the bowler supposed to warn the batsman once before doing this or am I imaginging it?
I would suggest reading the article, its well written and will answer your question. Or spend time watching videos of Buckner having imaginary conversations, up to you.
Guess this is another "defeat" for me
Did he pause to see if the non striker is getting out of the crease?
I think mankading even without warning is perfectly fine. What ashwin did was not mankading and it was just a cnuts trick to make sure that Buttler got out.
They are not supposed to do it but I think normally they do so. But if the batsman is taking the piss I have no issue with the bowler mankading him.
Gayle had a funny way one a few years back.
Yeah I think if a warning is issued once then it is fair game - after all the batsman is technically breaking the rules to gain an advantage.
I disagree. It's a fair game without it too. The batsman is letting himself be dismissed by taking an advantage.
If the batsman is leaving the crease and taking the piss, the bowler is well within his right to mankade him without warning imo. Everyone knows the rules.
As per the morality yes but no rules mandate a bowler to give them warning.
I would suggest reading the article, its well written and will answer your question. Or spend time watching videos of Buckner having imaginary conversations, up to you.
Guess this is another "defeat" for me
What's the point in reading the article? He was OUT, that's what you and your buddies Shane Warne and co. don't seem to understand and this whole debacle has blown over. Whether it's morally correct doesn't matter. And this is why I asked earlier, how on earth is it within the spirit of the game that a batsman is allowed to switch hit? You record yourself as Right hander or Left hander and decide, at some point in the game, that you're going to bypass the field placements by switching hands.
I am sorry, don't read an article explaining what happened. Just watch the above video and any other the guy made. I hope he does one where butler is talking to himself about how he is going to cheat and ashwin catches him.
Yeah I didn't think it has ever been in the rules more that it used to be the 'done thing'. Guess times have changed now.
But ashwin never cheated. He just used the rules to his benefit. In a real world that would be termed a smart move but for in moral world it is a jerkish move. The focus should be more on the rule itself and the umpire not on ashwin.
See this is the issue. Watch this, read that, Shane Warne this, MCC that, ex player says X, Y, Z. Under the rules of the game, it's out. That's it. There is no issue unless people want there to be one. It's blown over so much and Ashwins being poorly treated by "cnuts" themselves.
The umpires, here, deserve no criticism. Only the rule and the rule makers.
Diving is using the rules to a players benefits, it's still cheating.
But I just find it funny that how all the focus is put on ashwin and umpire is not wven getting any backlash. It just shows maybe the outrage is more because of the person involved. Like I said if it was bumrah or steyn involved not many would have created this much hoopla.
How is diving and this even comparable is beyond me. It's not like ashwin pushed butler and then ran him out. Rules states if the batsmen is out of his crease before the bowler delivers the ball he can run the batsmen out. It looks like you are just hell bent on terming someone a cheat when he did not cheat.