As a South African it irks me (and a lot of my compatriates) to hear James Anderson being mentioned as an equal to Dale Steyn. If Jimmy had Dale's record,he would have become England's all time leading wicket taker some 2 to 3 years ago. Let that sink in.
India's tour of England
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It's only because of the paucity of decent fast bowlers, Steyn is a class in his own no doubt.
My rant is in relation to Alastair Cook's recent comments. Before that (a year ago I bealive) you had Wasim Akram going giddy as well.
I haven't actually read what Cook said but I reckon it's possible for someone to be more skilful whilst also being inferior.
I think there's very few bowlers who've mastered manipulation of swing and seam as much as Anderson has, what makes Steyn special is the extra pace he's able to do it at. That extra pace is a different skill in itself.
Maintaining it, especially. Anderson can bowl at 90mph, if he slips himself, but Steyn can do it constantly.
Think I mentioned this beore here, but Woakes is awesome.
Woakes and Stokes. Problem is you can play only one of those. Two all rounders any team in the world would kill to have.
I suppose both are good enough to play, one as a 3rd seamer and the other as an all rounder.
Woakes is going to be a real player, IMO -- one of the best in teh world at what he does type.
Bowl like that and average 40 with the bat = priceless.
Woakes and Stokes. Problem is you can play only one of those. Two all rounders any team in the world would kill to have.
I suppose both are good enough to play, one as a 3rd seamer and the other as an all rounder.
Woakes is going to be a real player, IMO -- one of the best in teh world at what he does type.
Bowl like that and average 40 with the bat = priceless.
I don't think he'll average much over 30, to be honest. Stokes has much more potential as a batsman, for me.
Don't forget Moeen looks like he might actually be another decent all-rounder too. Good problems to have. Jordan can bat a bit too. Starting to take to this new era England, just need an in-form Finn and maybe a new opener.
Specialist spinner to come in on spinning wickets, too. Also, Buttler needs to get his keeping to test standard.
Stokes has much more potential as batsman & bowler than Woakes. Stokes isn't as far in his development as Woakes. England have 4 all rounders btw, you forgot Jordan & Moeen.
Buttler's worth the gamble though, he will get better as he's going to play an absolute shedload of International Cricket now. Coming together nicely though.
I think so. Prior was as at the same level, when he started keeping in tests and he became a genuinely good keeper, when fit.
That's exactly who he reminds me of right now, scored a century vs West Indies on debut didn't he? Buttler's started off great with the bat as well.
Yep. West Indies were knackered but he did it very assuredly.
I'm hoping if Prior decides that the body is gone, that he sticks around in cricket. I think he'd have good advice for someone like Buttler.
Stokes has much more potential as batsman & bowler than Woakes. Stokes isn't as far in his development as Woakes. England have 4 all rounders btw, you forgot Jordan & Moeen.
Think Jordan's bowling is ordinary.
Moeen Ali's spin is alright, but it's more of a number 6 batman bowling better-than-expected off breaks than anything else.
Woakes and Stokes are good enough to play as the 3rd bowler.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/770643.html
Why is there such a big veil of secrecy around the Indian team and media interaction?
Why is there such a big veil of secrecy around the Indian team and media interaction?
Good old Geoffrey and his favorite word..
In other news, Herath has taken 9 in an innings vs Pakistan
You're over-rating both of them. Woakes is nothing special but Stokes will probably be pretty good.
Woakes has potential, he has really increased his speed since we last saw him. He needs to be more consistent, same with Jordan. Stokes has great potential. Woakes has alot of work to do to get to the best in the world. I still think Finn to come in and those 3 to compete for one spot.
Anderson and Steyn are in the class of their own. I can't separate them.
Oh Robson, what are you doing. Played all round it.
Shocking from Robson.
Could well regret that one, if he doesn't get another bat in this match.
Could well regret that one, if he doesn't get another bat in this match.
Love Boycott!!
Wow!! Just saw how he got out.. Hope this is the last test match he plays for us.. We need players who can score abroad..
3 of the top 5 run scorers in the series are indians, you would never have thought it.
True.. I did not expect Dhoni to be the only one hanging around while all fall apart.. And he has done it twice in two test matches..
Just think if he had a decent technique, he would average more than the 38 he does now.
He averages 25 with the ball and 38 with the bat in county cricket and looks the part.
Bowls good pace.
Let's wait and see.
Well, its a bit of a misleading stat seeing as India have ended up playing 3 more innings than most England players so far.
I tend to disagree, Jordan is very erratic but has the ability to get good players out - Woakes/Stokes have great numbers in county cricket but don't really threaten test batsmen.
Root is going to be a belter of a player. So much cause for optimism with him, Buttler and Ballance.
fecking rains might deny India two days of additional rest. So inhumane.
I'd say Stokes looks far more threatening against top batsmen than Woaks and Jordan. He took Clarke's wicket 4 times in Australia and generally looked by far our most dangerous bowler on that tour aside from Broad.
The upcoming India tour of Australia could be absolutely brutal. They'll struggle to reach 100 on any of the games against Harris and Johnson if they bat anything like they have the last 3 games. Something needs to change massively and they don't have much time to do that.
India are a shambles, no fight whatsoever. This is embarrassing.
Don't worry, India's great all-rounder Stuart Binny is in after his impressive 12 overs for 58 runs with the ball.
We're like Bangladesh.
I am not even exaggerating. You just know a wicket's impending.
If they played 5 more matches, they'd all end in 3 days.
In the past, I have not agreed with the folks calling for Duncan Fletcher to go, but the team is so woefully lacking in basics that the first person to go has to be the coach.
Can't catch in the slips, poor bowling tactics, repetitive no balls, lack of a game plan like in the last test..
Shambolic.
I am not even exaggerating. You just know a wicket's impending.
If they played 5 more matches, they'd all end in 3 days.
In the past, I have not agreed with the folks calling for Duncan Fletcher to go, but the team is so woefully lacking in basics that the first person to go has to be the coach.
Can't catch in the slips, poor bowling tactics, repetitive no balls, lack of a game plan like in the last test..
Shambolic.
Please don't insult them. They are our neighbours.