If you're getting skittled cheaply on English tracks then I fear the worst for you on the fast tracks of Aus. Places like Perth where the ball goes through at a trillion miles an hour.
Mitchell Johnson bowling speed: 156.8 kmph
I shall pray for you.
India's tour of England
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Mitchell Johnson bowling speed: 156.8 kmph
I shall pray for you.
The structure needs to change at domestic level. There should be pitches which prepare batsmen for all kinds of environments. Shastri made an interesting point of allowing each Ranji team to have couple of overseas players, especially bowlers and having pitches helpful for bowling.
I think players should go back to old ways and come to play in England domestic season. It really helped Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and can help these guys too. England is probably the ultimate test for test cricket skills for batsmen. The conditions are more demanding than at Australia or South Africa.
We all know what will happen though. India will have good time vs WI at home, people will continue to gather in numbers for IPL and ODIs back home with tests seeing lesser turnout, BCCI will earn more thorugh IPL each year and most will forget this series like the previous ones.
No test at Perth in upcoming series! muhahahaa
BCCI doesn't want Johnson to injure players before World cup!
India might do better down under than they have here. Think India handle the kookaburra ball far better than they do the Duke ball.
Take it India aren't taking many runners to the the Olympic Games then?
That was abysmal. I did not expect them to win even a single test but I am surprised at the manner of our losses. No hunger what's so ever,Fletcher needs to go. We do not have any other alternative to Dhoni as captain so I guess we can have him till we finish the Australia tour along with the World Cup and then get shot of him. Worst part now is, they ll play well against WI on flat pitches and then act as if all these away tours do not happen,then we will be brought back to earth in Australia. Hope we have some time to acclimatize to Australian conditions by playing a few warm up games against some good sides or else there is one more drubbing on the way..
Btw why has our fielding been so bad? I remember during the last playing days of Dravid and Laxman, Dhoni used to moan constantly that seniors were lowering the fielding standards of this team. Atleast those two were terrific slip fielders.
Sorry for the rant,it has been a bad weekend for sports..
Btw why has our fielding been so bad? I remember during the last playing days of Dravid and Laxman, Dhoni used to moan constantly that seniors were lowering the fielding standards of this team. Atleast those two were terrific slip fielders.
Sorry for the rant,it has been a bad weekend for sports..
Anyone else feel that the manner of that win is going to be bad for English cricket longish term?
I mean its great to win Test matches, but I don't think Cook's improved. I don't understand the selection processes, is Jordan really more likely to take test wickets than anyone else? Is Ali really a test match number 6? Has Cook realised he's overused Anderson or has India's inability to bat more than 30 overs done that for him? Are England still excessively vulnerable to short pitched bowling?
I just can envisage England going to the West Indies, trashing them and then facing Australia (or even NZ) before Cook gets his off peg ripped out the ground by Harris, and Johnson bounces out the rest of them.
I mean its great to win Test matches, but I don't think Cook's improved. I don't understand the selection processes, is Jordan really more likely to take test wickets than anyone else? Is Ali really a test match number 6? Has Cook realised he's overused Anderson or has India's inability to bat more than 30 overs done that for him? Are England still excessively vulnerable to short pitched bowling?
I just can envisage England going to the West Indies, trashing them and then facing Australia (or even NZ) before Cook gets his off peg ripped out the ground by Harris, and Johnson bounces out the rest of them.
I agree, this series wouldn't answer real questions about England, the way India capitulated it could have been anyone and England would have won.
Ali's bowling has taken away eyes from his pretty dismal batting performances. The opening is still a suspect and Cook couldn't have asked for a easier bowling attack to hit back to some kind of form. The bowlers were hardly tested since the 2nd test. But saying that though, they were brilliant.
Did Cook hit them back into form?
At the start of the summer I saw a man out of form with the bat, under pressure with the burden of captaincy because he couldn't win a test, and out of luck.
At the end of the summer? The pressures gone, largely because India capitulated but also because his team played well, his lucks changed too. But is he in form? I'm not sure, he looked scratchy yesterday, and should have been out 3 times before he was eventually obliged, he's getting out (or rather, he's getting away with) in the same ways he was before.
There's big positives too, Root and Ballance are outstanding talents batting where they are, the 3rd/4th seamer slot has an abundance of talent to fill it, even if I'm not sure Jordan and Woakes are the right incumbents and Ali has shown he can hold up an end, even if he was fortuitous to bowl India out twice over. Questions to be asked, still though.
Yep. On the money with both your posts.
Very conceivable that in 12 months time, you'll be looking at this series as the one that papered over a few cracks.
Positives, though, is that Joe Root has found his game, as has Ballance like you pointed out. Big long term pluses.
And I've said it already -- Woakes is another plus.
"Don't be so jealous of IPL."
MS Dhoni, when asked if some of the players might want to miss the IPL and work on their Test games
Can we sack this clown already?
MS Dhoni, when asked if some of the players might want to miss the IPL and work on their Test games
Can we sack this clown already?
Well, at least the English Reds had something to cheer about this weekend
Shambolic really. Ravi Shastri yesterday said that these Indian batsmen should have gone to play some English county cricket when they had breaks. Obviously they won't though...
Shambolic really. Ravi Shastri yesterday said that these Indian batsmen should have gone to play some English county cricket when they had breaks. Obviously they won't though...
Well, at least the English Reds had something to cheer about this weekend
Shambolic really. Ravi Shastri yesterday said that these Indian batsmen should have gone to play some English county cricket when they had breaks. Obviously they won't though...
It does seem to be happening less and less. Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and a few others have all played in the English county season at some point in their careers. Along with other greats from the subcontinent.
Good point. These feckers would rather just cool off their heels at home. Obviously the administration deserves to have a big share of the blame as well, for having fewer and fewer off days.
Australia are going to skin us alive later this year.
Might be bloody good thing, if it did happen. I recently heard him saying that he isn't very aggressive by nature, but had to be so when he was captain. Simply because his players were too nice and inexpressive.
Major changes are needed behind the scenes and in our domestic circuit. The BCCI is too busy squeezing every last drop of money out of the game to care though.
Will they sack Dhoni when he has links to Srinivasan? Will they allow our team to get the best possible preparation even if it means cutting down on money making T20 games/IPL? Will they stop the dead, flat tracks we get in India to attract crowds/sponsors? The answer to all of those questions is "no".
Will they sack Dhoni when he has links to Srinivasan? Will they allow our team to get the best possible preparation even if it means cutting down on money making T20 games/IPL? Will they stop the dead, flat tracks we get in India to attract crowds/sponsors? The answer to all of those questions is "no".
Well, at least the English Reds had something to cheer about this weekend
Trust me after the last winter we had with Moyes and the Ashes, I'd take that completely.
Wow.
He's an absolute joke.Won't be sacked though. He actually made some runs for a change unlike the rest of our batsmen.
Hopefully this is the end for Gambhir.
I don't think anyone's getting carried away given the sheer uselessness of India in the last 3 tests. That said a few wins on the board doesn't hurt and Cook, if not in prime form, has regained a bit of confidence. Meanwhile Ballance and Root have pushed on and Buttler and Ali have looked decent.
FFS
The point about country cricket is a good one. If these batsman actually want to be top top players they should go there and learn how to play in bowler friendly conditions rather than wasting their time playing clown cricket in the IPL.
Or else they can continue being flat track experts accumulating 100s in easy conditions and letting us down sorely abroad.
Or else they can continue being flat track experts accumulating 100s in easy conditions and letting us down sorely abroad.
That's the whole point isn't it. BCCI and Srinivasan don't care, neither do the players. It is not about becoming better players anymore. It is all about the money, which let's face it they get a lot of from the IPL.
Absolutely. I don't really watch that much cricket anymore. When the proper cricket happens I watch us get hammered. It's all a bit pointless.
We are hearing this for so long now, i don't see us preparing pacy pitch in India that suits fast bowlers.
Also i'm not sure weather the soil in India is good enough to prepare pacy pitches.
Unless we have those pitches our batsmen(barring few exceptional ones) will suffer at foreign pitches.
So Ravi Shastri has been made director of cricket with three highly rated Indian Coaches as assistant.
I've got no problems with the coaches appointment but Ravi Shastri?
Also just read in TOI that we have scored more runs in our last 5 T20 internationals then last five test innings. Probably sums it up.
I've got no problems with the coaches appointment but Ravi Shastri?
Also just read in TOI that we have scored more runs in our last 5 T20 internationals then last five test innings. Probably sums it up.
Pujaras set to spend the rest of the season at Leicestershire. Good lad knows what he needs to do to graft.
Did anyone read Jonathan Liew's article in The Telegraph yesterday? Admittedly he is not a specialist cricket journalist but the crux of his article was that there is a very strong trend of touring teams losing heavily as compared to 20-30 years ago, with this trend probably connected with increased professionalism. Basically, unlike football, rugby and other sports, the conditions vary from country to country to such an extent that the die are becoming ever more loaded against the away team in this era of greater training and preparation.
Bit strange that with Fletcher still there but given a 'break', India will probably win the ODI series and Shastri will get the plaudits. While if Fletcher was in charge, they would have probably won anyway as they have a good one day record so you have to ask what is the point for the change?
Sack Dhoni, Sell Kohli!
Different format, same old story!
100 from 75 balls for Raina. Always liked him, think he might be a bit wasted when he bats really low but he's a good finisher and adds important runs when India are in trouble.
Or not! That was a pleasing result
So according to Swann,Cook must forget about ODI because his strike rate (77) is too low. I think Alastair has earned the benefit of the doubt. There is a place for him in ODI cricket in my view. He has to be paired up with an explosive batsman (Hales will do) and he must anchor the innings. He can improve his strike rate near the end of the innings. Its quite possible to go from say 77 of 100 balls to 100 of 115 balls (86 S.R) even for a plodder like Cook.
England getting bogged down by spin again.
Swann's talking nonsense.
77 is a very reasonable strike rate in ODI cricket and he averages 37, which is good as well.
You need some players who play at a decent pace like that or the team will fold like a house of cards too often.
Can someone explain to me how India are so abject at test, while being so good in shorter forms?
The trouble with England is that they have far too many of these type of batsmen in the top 4. Cook, Root and Bell are hardly the attacking type. Compare that top4 with other teams like SA or AUS.